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Shuddering or thumping when 5r55w shifts,..is there a remedy

yup, just piling on the miles. It shifts smoothly in all gears except for the occasional thumpy high speed OD upshift.

going to put 30K on it and then do another 6 qt drain and fill with the redline high temp and another shot of the smart blend additive, which will take me from ~50% to ~75% concentration of this fluid combination. I'm wondering if things will further improve at that point.

what are your plans?

Finally ordered the Smart Blend 4001. On its way. Think I am going to try it with a 6 quart flush of Castrol. At $18 per quart of Redline,....Its just more than I can justifiy.
 



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yikes, that's more than what they're charging for the Redline here.

Mine is running really well with the fluids I have in now, and MPG is still up. Looking forward to the next 30K mark and I'll go with more Redline again.

The Castrol is good -recommend the IMV instead of Mercon for the higher vis (and IMV is MerconV rated anyway).

good luck!
 






yup, just piling on the miles. It shifts smoothly in all gears except for the occasional thumpy high speed OD upshift.

going to put 30K on it and then do another 6 qt drain and fill with the redline high temp and another shot of the smart blend additive, which will take me from ~50% to ~75% concentration of this fluid combination. I'm wondering if things will further improve at that point.

what are your plans?

Not sure now. I stopped in to a place yesterday that could order the High temp ATF and their Redline brochure didn't show the High temp ATF as being Mercon V compatible,......so, I called Redline, and got a guy on the phone, and he said Redline would not recommend the High Temp for a Mercon V application,....and that it could cause problems with overheating due to its higher viscosity....................Hmmmmm. I asked him how that could be since the product was specifically designed for High Temp applications,.....he claimed that a less viscous fluid when specified could carry heat away more readily. He recommended their other Mercon V spec product (DT4??)

Brian
 






Well, the D4 redline is their most general purpose product:

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=51&pcid=9

Dexron III®, Dexron II®, Mercon® and Mercon V Toyota Type T-III and T-IV, Honda ATF Z1, NissanMatic D, J, K, & S, Diamond SP-II, SP-III, Mazda ATF M-V, most BMW, Audi, VW -so it would be the "correct" safe answer.

Kind of amazing how many different applications they claim for D4 -the viscosity specs match MerconV so probably does provide similar behavior as stock MerconV in our transmissions.

The high temp also claims Mercon compatibility, but not Mercon V:

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=54&pcid=9

Ford now no longer sanctions the old Mercon and specs MerconV for every thing that used to use Mercon (including the 2002 5r55w which apparently was a transitional year where some early ones were speced for plain Mercon). I agree with you about it not making sense about high temperature fluid causing overheating.

My theory for why this product seems to give a new lease on life in a high-mileage 5r55 transmission is that the worn TC and clutches still work ok when cold and start acting up when the fluid gets hot. The main difference being the working (hot) temperature viscosity of the atf being much lower than during warmup. So the working temperature viscosity of the high-temp atf is higher, same as what the D4 or stock MercV fluid would be when it is still not fully hot.

I wouldn't worry or hesitate to try it -I can't see how it would cause harm if the transmission was designed to work properly when the stock atf is a little cooler than fully hot (during warmup, in fact, shifts smoother).

The other difference might be that MercV is more shudder-resistant than plain Mercon, but the Smart Blend will add even more (antishudder) friction modifiers than what the stock MercV would have.

That's my take, and I'm stickin' to it, and so is my 02 Mountaineer..
 






Maybe your found a fix to help me out

I got my 02 Explorer 4.0 2WD 5R55W 6 years ago. When I got it, the trans was slipping bad so I took it to AAMCO and they rebuilt it also did the servobore sleeves. I also got the Lifetime Warranty because I did a lot of research on these trans and knew I was going to have problems every 70,000mi's or so. So like I was right. Less than 7mos ago it started to shift hard in 2nd and shudder/hunt between D and OD while doing normal freeway speeds (happens once fluid is warmed up, the OD light would flash rapidly when it did that until I would turn off the car then turn it back on). Side note, I called about the Lifetime Warranty and I had to produce the paperwork to have it serviced under the warranty, but since the car was broken into and the papers lost with other items, I could not produce any papers and that company does not have any computer base showing I purchased it, even called corporate offices and said I was out of luck. So I did ordered the o-ring servo-bore kit and did it pretty much like brentburton's post without taking any exuaust piping off, just the heat-shields and using the crowbar, pain to do. I could see the brass sleeves while it was opened up, also did the 400 grit around a pencil to just slightly take out any rough edges of the bore, but just a little, I did not grind away. Other things I did was change the filter, filled the fluid twice and replaced with Mercon V, also tightened the bands IAW techman. The fluid that was in it was pretty clean to start and the pan had no metallic in the fluid or anything in the pan or magnet other than that fine fuzzy black stuff just barely on the top of the magnet. Put it all back together and took it out for a test drive and no more hard-shifts in second, but still have the shudder while driving at highway speeds (mostly between 65-75mph while its shifting into OD, and more-so going up inclines). I took it on a trip from LA to Vegas and it had the shudder while on inclines mostly and the OD light didn't come on, until the trip home... it started to flash about half-way back home and funny thing is, for the next 100mi's there were no shudders and trans worked wonderfully, but the light was blinking, so we pulled over with 50mi's left on our trip home, shut the car off, started back on the highway with the OD light now off, and the shudder was back. So I then did a lot of research thinking I could fix this with a new shift-kit and solenoid pack(rebuilt) from TRANSGO. All parts came in and did the job this weekend. I took the pan and gasket off after draining fluid (always use a clean glass jar and catch fluid coming out to get a good look at it) the fluid was still very clean, took off filter, reverse-servo, solenoid pack, and valve-body. After inspecting the pan gasket, separator plate and gaskets, they looked good to me. I started doing the shifter-kit which has a pretty good video online someone did for their 5R55S. It was pretty easy. Turns out I already had that same kit in it from rebuild years earlier, but replaced with the new kit any way. I soaked the solenoid pack in Mercon V while I did the valve-body. I then placed the separator back on the valve-body and put it back up into the trans (I took a long thin box and drew out the valve-body, filter, reverse-servo, and solenoid pack and punched holes in the drawings so when I took a bolt out, I just put it in the designated hole to make sure I put them back exactly, also pretty handy to not lose any. Valve body back on and tightned IAW techman sequence/torque, I then installed the reverse-servo, then the solenoid pack, a new filter and pan, all IAW sequence/torque. Another thing I did before I started this job was reset the brain on the car so it would later re-learn shift values and left the battery disconnected till I was all done. I filled the fluid by the book, vehicle was level, had pumped 6qts prior to starting ($5 handpump from HF and nipple bought on amazon), started it, let it warm up, shifted through all gears and let the fluid get to the point of first signs of dribbling out the nipple. ( I was also following steps during this time to correctly let the car learn the new values I purged prior to starting this job). I took it out for 2 test drives. First one was to run the fluid in the trans and other was to learn shift values, and then came back, leveled the car and checked the fluid a 2nd time. A few hours later I took it out again, both test drives it still has the shudder in the same gears when giving slight acceleration as well shifting into OD with slight acceleration. Same symptoms. But this time the OD light did start blinking rapidly near the end of the 2nd test drive as I was nearing the highway exit. But I turned off the car and restarted it and drove and it stayed off. Just got in to write this. Not sure what to do now. What I wrote is not a go-by to do any repairs, just wrote what I did. Retired Navy engineer who likes working on his own cars, but this has me stumped. Also, what's the easiest way to read the codes on this without a scantool, is there a way to jumper and read?
 












Shudder fixed

Sorry if this is redundant on this post, hope it helps

NO MORE SHUDDER, ALL FIXED

Well today I got my 02 Explorer back from Walters Transmissions in Temecula CA. I was going to take it in to AAMCO where they pulled a P0741 and they said it needed a full rebuild and it would start at $1500 not including parts, as I wrote earlier in a post in 2012 I had same AAMCO do a complete rebuild and paid extra for the lifetime warranty which they now won't honor due to a stolen receipt from same explorer. So after talking to the guys at TRANSGO they told me of a trustworthy person they deal with which is Walters. I just drove it 50miles without any shudder or other issues, ran great. Let me again tell you what I have done till I threw in the towel and took it in. I bought and replaced the solenoid pack (rebuilt), put in a new TRANSGO shift-kit (not incl pump part due to couldn't drop trans), replaced int/od servo with oring type, checked bands each time I touched the trans, the separator plate was in good condition, changed the filter 2x during the process, the pan was always clear of any debris other than a little normal black sludge on the magnet, the fluid when I first dropped it was good, and probably drained the fluid 3x during the whole process of when I started on this adventure, even tried to drain the torque convertor but didn't find a plug as I marked it turning the engine by wrench looking up at it through the access cover (I marked an X on it with perm black marker to make sure I did do a full revolution to find plug, but no plug was there), I always torqued everything to specs (I always buy factory manuals for all my vehicles just for reasons like this). The trans looked great up to this point since it was rebuilt back in 2012 by AAMCO and I even saw the new sleeves when I did the servo-bores. So at that point I started looking for a misfire somewhere. I ended up changing my plugs, plug wires(yes, I did find a white spot on at least one wire), coil, air filter, pcv, fuel filter, and did the full reset of the memory by disconnecting the neg battery cable and jumped it from the positive so it could relearn the shift values (can find on youtube). At that point I talked to Mark and Larry at TRANSGO and got Walters info. I have a 69 mustang that is using all my trans stuff to drop another trans. I took the Explorer to Walters Saturday and on Monday they called me yesterday (Wednesday) and said after all the test I needed a new torque converter, I gave the go ahead and they told me it was done today. They also found a kinked evac line which they fixed which may have caused a misfire but not the shudder. They also checked it over pretty good, no other issues. As I was there today, I saw the the converter they pulled out, and it did have the X I marked on it. They said it was stuck pretty good onto the flywheel and took some to get it off. I just drove it home and it runs great. Yes, it's only been a few hours, but if you don't see any more post, you know it's still working. Hope this helps. Lesson learned, always pull your codes first and use a person you can trust. Walter did the job for half of what AAMCO wanted.
 






WTF was wrong?

My eyes hurt and I fell asleep trying to read your post. So what was actually wrong with your transmission? You should be able two answer this in two complete sentences.
 






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