STILL looking for a sub need some opinions

[bigwayne3000]

ok so im still looking to get a sub. im thinking about either this 1000W pioneer: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-TS-SW...f_rd_r=00XA9Z0QTTHVT0DPRSC5&pf_rd_i=720940011

or this 800W one: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-TS-W3...f_rd_r=00XA9Z0QTTHVT0DPRSC5&pf_rd_i=720940011

what are everyones thoughts on these? is 100W that much better than the 800W? i mean its only like $20 so money isnt an issue, $20 more is fine. just curious what everyone thinks of these 2. would be great if anyone on here has either of these.

 

[bcburlette]

the sub you get really depends on your amp, if you get the 800 watt one your amp should have an peak output off 800 and an rms of 150
or for the 1000 watt, you want a peak off 1000 and rms 250
if the peak doesn't match up, this doesn't really matter for much your rms is what you should really be looking at. Just please tell me you aren't gonna try and run these off the factory sub amp? lol

 

[toypaseo]

between the two, the TSSW301 has better sensitivity...

 

[BrianDye]

the sub you get really depends on your amp, if you get the 800 watt one your amp should have an peak output off 800 and an rms of 150
or for the 1000 watt, you want a peak off 1000 and rms 250
if the peak doesn't match up, this doesn't really matter for much your rms is what you should really be looking at. Just please tell me you aren't gonna try and run these off the factory sub amp? lol

Not to be mean, dont listen to this guy, peak doesnt mean ****, you want the RMS to match the RMS of the sub, yeah, obviously the higher the watts, the better, but RMS is gonna be the constant output of the amp, and what the sub can handle, you want an amp that has equal RMS or higher to the sub, because if its lower, it will slowly damage and decrease the lifespan of the sub.

 

[bcburlette]

Not to be mean, dont listen to this guy, peak doesnt mean ****, you want the RMS to match the RMS of the sub, yeah, obviously the higher the watts, the better, but RMS is gonna be the constant output of the amp, and what the sub can handle, you want an amp that has equal RMS or higher to the sub, because if its lower, it will slowly damage and decrease the lifespan of the sub.

I said that the peak didnt mean anything, and told him worry more about rms!

and wtf are you talking about the rms should be lower on the amp than the sub or you'll blow the subs!

 

[BrianDye]

I said that the peak didnt mean anything, and told him worry more about rms!

and wtf are you talking about the rms should be lower on the amp than the sub or you'll blow the subs!

You want more power from the amp, obviously you turn the gain down a little bit, but if you have less RMS in the amp, than the RMS the sub can handle, it slowly burns out the voice coil, and the sub will distort even though its not reaching it potential.


Look it up if you dont believe me.

 

[NYMount21]

Never been a big fan of pioneer subs. I believe they make superior head units and door speakers, but as far as subwoofers are concerned, either Kicker or JBL are the way to go. Everyone will have a different opinion though i'm sure.......

At the end of the day, Pioneer is still a good brand overall, you'll never buy a trash product from them. They may not be the best IMO, but they're certainly up there.....So I guess what i'm trying to say is they're a generally good subwoofer.

As far as power goes, I would throw down the extra $20, chances are you'll never be bumping that loud, but the sound quality might be a lil better on the 1000w as they're designed to take more bass and sound (if that makes sense to you). Good Luck!

 

[bcburlette]

You want more power from the amp, obviously you turn the gain down a little bit, but if you have less RMS in the amp, than the RMS the sub can handle, it slowly burns out the voice coil, and the sub will distort even though its not reaching it potential.


Look it up if you dont believe me.

Just for the hell of it, and because I don't like people calling me an idiot.:thumbdwn:
I did.

Ideally, you'd want the RMS rating of the amplifier to be the same as the sub's RMS rating. You can use a much lower power amp without a problem; subwoofers aren't damaged by under-powering. You can use a slightly higher powered amp, but you'll need to be more careful.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080824022033AAke9yz

 

[aznboi3644]

the sub you get really depends on your amp, if you get the 800 watt one your amp should have an peak output off 800 and an rms of 150
or for the 1000 watt, you want a peak off 1000 and rms 250
if the peak doesn't match up, this doesn't really matter for much your rms is what you should really be looking at. Just please tell me you aren't gonna try and run these off the factory sub amp? lol

you did say peak output...it means nothing. Also yahoo answers is full of retards...i've been there. There are some people that know some ****.

with that 250 watt sub you can use a 1000 watt rms amp. There is a gain knob for a reason. The power output from the amp is dependent on input voltage and gain setting. The amp can out out full power with the gain all the way down. Doesn't matter.

I was powering my Memphis 15" PR with a capable 900 watts...rated at 250 watts. Took 500 watts rms all day just fine...it would get a little hot after a full song with 700 watts or so. It all depends on the install and the user.

 

[bcburlette]

well the peak and rms measures i gave him there were pulled off sonicelectronix.com i figured they would help since i didn't see an rms on the amazon page

 

[ford freak]

You want more power from the amp, obviously you turn the gain down a little bit, but if you have less RMS in the amp, than the RMS the sub can handle, it slowly burns out the voice coil, and the sub will distort even though its not reaching it potential.


Look it up if you dont believe me.

That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever read on the net. Please do some reading and get some real world expereince before you try to give advice. A driver can be blown when one of two things happen......The driver has surpassed the mechanical or thermal limits of the driver. As you stated about keeping the gains down. Gains are to be matched to the voltage of the signal from the source. If you max the gains like an idiot then you are asking for trouble in a big way. I can run a 50 watt speaker off a 200 watt amp and have no problem at all and the same4 for a 300 watt off a 100 watt amp. You seemed a bit sarcastic in your statement that I quoted so I feel the need to do the same.......You said just read to that poster.......You certainly need to do the same.

 

[ford freak]

you did say peak output...it means nothing. Also yahoo answers is full of retards...i've been there. There are some people that know some ****.

with that 250 watt sub you can use a 1000 watt rms amp. There is a gain knob for a reason. The power output from the amp is dependent on input voltage and gain setting. The amp can out out full power with the gain all the way down. Doesn't matter.

I was powering my Memphis 15" PR with a capable 900 watts...rated at 250 watts. Took 500 watts rms all day just fine...it would get a little hot after a full song with 700 watts or so. It all depends on the install and the user.

Didn't see your post b4.....Straighten out this bunch will ya?

 

[Infinity08]

I logged in for some comedy, and got it. Thanks, guys.

 

[TwoX]

i would have to say tat site you posted is stupied the guy says basically that its ok to use a small amp and that You can use a much lower power amp without a problem; subwoofers aren't damaged by under-powering. ( which is a lie you can damage a subwoofer by not giving it enough power) if you send too much power to your sub, you risk damaging it. The cone of the speaker and the mechanical parts that make it move may break under the stress. Surprisingly, too little power can also damage your subwoofer — in fact, it's actually more common than damage caused by overpowering.

 

[snickers]

I'm not sure where you guys would get the idea that under powering a sub will hurt it. Kind of funny in a ridiculous way.

The only way your going to hurt a sub from an underpowered amp is pushing the amp into clipping. Clipping is when you overdrive your amp to the point it quits making music in a somewhat perfect sine wave and starts flattening the top and bottom of the wave. Feeding a sub a clipped signal will kill it quick for sure, but this can be avoided by simply not turning the gain up on the small amp beyond its limits.

EDIT: I forgot to add this. Get the 800 watt sub because its not a shallow mount, unless space is an issue. The shallow mounts are handy, but they suffer in low frequency response because of their inherent design compromises, usually.

 

[Bsimmer3000]

It's better to run a higher powered amp lower than it's capacity than it is to run a small amp flat out. Plus there's zero point in buying a 500w RMS speaker if you only run a 200w RMS amp into it for instance.

 

[aznboi3644]

Under powering ANY driver, not just saying a subwoofer, ANY SPEAKER will NOT damage the speaker.

The only way to damage a speaker is to exceed its thermal and/or mechanical limits. The only way to fry the coil is the OVERpower it. Exceeding its thermal limits.

Stop saying underpowering kills speakers...because it is 100% false.

 

[aznboi3644]

It's better to run a higher powered amp lower than it's capacity than it is to run a small amp flat out. Plus there's zero point in buying a 500w RMS speaker if you only run a 200w RMS amp into it for instance.

RMS rating is in no way a measure of how much power a speaker NEEDS.

There is nothing wrong with giving 200 watts to a speaker that can handle 500 watts.

How much power a speaker needs is dependent on the enclosure and loading environment.

I could very well mechanically damage the "500 watt rms" speaker with 100 watts.

 

[Bsimmer3000]

RMS rating is in no way a measure of how much power a speaker NEEDS.

There is nothing wrong with giving 200 watts to a speaker that can handle 500 watts.

How much power a speaker needs is dependent on the enclosure and loading environment.

I could very well mechanically damage the "500 watt rms" speaker with 100 watts.

Where did i say it was wrong? I said there's no point. Get a smaller sub if you want to run lower power. I know people who have run 50w into a 300w RMS sub and they wonder why their system sounds so bad at high volumes then they put a 300w+ RMS amp in and it sounds a lot better and the amp aint running at 100% it's whole life. It's like running your car around at 7000rpm all day compaired to running it at 3000rpm. It's better for the engine or AMP and SQ in this exmaple and better to use a higher powered AMP.

 

[Infinity08]

Just for the record, clipping will NOT in and of itself, blow a speaker. It'll sound like ****, but clipping causes no damage.