i would like to know how fast the other explorers around hear are and what kind of mods they have to go fast. i have a very long list of mod my self and plan on goin high 11's in the quarter mile. i would like to know other peoples plans and current mods. all so dyno charts and time slip would help as whell.
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Troll, wrong forum. This is for 4wheeling (offroad). Maybe Explorer Sport Trucks.
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Heheheh.... this thread is TOO much fun not to respond to....
During our Moab excursion I helped lead the "4 rated" Steelbender trail. At 10.5 miles long, it took 7 hours for our group to complete. That's 1.5 mph. Joe Dietz tried to shorten that ET right off the bat but very nearly rolled his vehicle in the attempt.
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My Explorer goes 1.5 mph. Com'n now you wimps, who can beat that?
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During our Moab excursion I helped lead the "4 rated" Steelbender trail. At 10.5 miles long, it took 7 hours for our group to complete. That's 1.5 mph. Joe Dietz tried to shorten that ET right off the bat but very nearly rolled his vehicle in the attempt.
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and I thought I had the fastest rig on the site! ; )
My plan is to be slow and smooth from now on. Tires cost to much when gravity is applied to the go-pedal.
Anyway, I have other vehicles for the Speed Need. But I imagine Troll is like us and wanting to be a little different. Otherwise we'd all be in Jeeps.
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My plan is to be slow and smooth from now on. Tires cost to much when gravity is applied to the go-pedal.
Anyway, I have other vehicles for the Speed Need. But I imagine Troll is like us and wanting to be a little different. Otherwise we'd all be in Jeeps.
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Troll, How much Horsepower will you need to get a 4500lb(+/-) Explorer into the 11's? Someone on this site will know I bet.
With cam and head work on the 4.0 I doubt I have more than 200, maybe I could run in the 17's!!!.
11s hmmm a built 5 liter with a really- really big shot of N02 may be able to do it -if you could get it to the pavement. Remember power is the easy part, getting it to hook up is the important part. You can do it, just empty the bank account and go to it. To go fast all you need is money so no doubt it can be done. Keep us posted.
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With cam and head work on the 4.0 I doubt I have more than 200, maybe I could run in the 17's!!!.
11s hmmm a built 5 liter with a really- really big shot of N02 may be able to do it -if you could get it to the pavement. Remember power is the easy part, getting it to hook up is the important part. You can do it, just empty the bank account and go to it. To go fast all you need is money so no doubt it can be done. Keep us posted.
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Peter is right, this thread might generate some info if it was located in its proper category; maybe the Sport Truck or the Under The Hood forums.
I don't know, but I'll venture a guess. 11 seconds is a VERY fast quarter mile. Built sports cars with lotsa $$$ in mods and a heckuva lot better drag coefficient than our boxes shoot for 12 second times for bragging rights.
Here's what I do know:
(1) With a good rider that can expertly hook up and launch, it takes 90-100 ponies to get a motorcycle into the 11's. That's at a weight (vehicle+rider) one tenth of our weight and a wind resistance/drag coefficient far beyond anything we could ever hope to get near too.
(2) Excessive power produces diminishing returns. In other words, going from 200 to 250 horses produces a much greater reduction in ET than going from 400 to 450 horses. In aircraft applications, getting a plane that can go 180 knots to hit 200 knots may take twice the horsepower. After a certain point, the only way to get to that 200 knot speed is not by increasing power, but by reducing wind resistance.
That about that last statement for a minute. Nothing you can do to an Explorer will change its drag coefficient that much.
Pressure in fluid dynamics is not a linear event. Wind resistance increases at the SQUARE of the velocity increase. In other words, it doesn't require twice the power to push through the wind at 80 mph than it does at 40; it takes FOUR TIMES as much.
At 11+ seconds you will be crossing the traps at around 115- 120 mph. It will require about 16 times the horsepower that it required at 40mph just to push the wind out of the way (I won't bother getting into discussing the additonal turbulent vacuum/backpressure from our chopped off rearend). And that's just the power to push the wind out of the way and doesn't take into account the extra ponies required to accelerate two and a half tons up to that speed, etc etc etc.
I'll venture a wild guess here and see what others think. I believe it will take 800+ ponies to get an Explorer in the 11's. And that's just the beginning. Then you have to figure out how to get it to the rear axle and hook it up on the launch.
Rob, what's it take to get an LS1 that weighs a ton less and has a much better drag coefficient into the 11's?
Troll, post this on Under The Hood and people who know can help you. If so, be aware you are going to need a LOT of money to get you there, and you still may not make it. Good luck.
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I don't know, but I'll venture a guess. 11 seconds is a VERY fast quarter mile. Built sports cars with lotsa $$$ in mods and a heckuva lot better drag coefficient than our boxes shoot for 12 second times for bragging rights.
Here's what I do know:
(1) With a good rider that can expertly hook up and launch, it takes 90-100 ponies to get a motorcycle into the 11's. That's at a weight (vehicle+rider) one tenth of our weight and a wind resistance/drag coefficient far beyond anything we could ever hope to get near too.
(2) Excessive power produces diminishing returns. In other words, going from 200 to 250 horses produces a much greater reduction in ET than going from 400 to 450 horses. In aircraft applications, getting a plane that can go 180 knots to hit 200 knots may take twice the horsepower. After a certain point, the only way to get to that 200 knot speed is not by increasing power, but by reducing wind resistance.
That about that last statement for a minute. Nothing you can do to an Explorer will change its drag coefficient that much.
Pressure in fluid dynamics is not a linear event. Wind resistance increases at the SQUARE of the velocity increase. In other words, it doesn't require twice the power to push through the wind at 80 mph than it does at 40; it takes FOUR TIMES as much.
At 11+ seconds you will be crossing the traps at around 115- 120 mph. It will require about 16 times the horsepower that it required at 40mph just to push the wind out of the way (I won't bother getting into discussing the additonal turbulent vacuum/backpressure from our chopped off rearend). And that's just the power to push the wind out of the way and doesn't take into account the extra ponies required to accelerate two and a half tons up to that speed, etc etc etc.
I'll venture a wild guess here and see what others think. I believe it will take 800+ ponies to get an Explorer in the 11's. And that's just the beginning. Then you have to figure out how to get it to the rear axle and hook it up on the launch.
Rob, what's it take to get an LS1 that weighs a ton less and has a much better drag coefficient into the 11's?
Troll, post this on Under The Hood and people who know can help you. If so, be aware you are going to need a LOT of money to get you there, and you still may not make it. Good luck.
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Troll, I wish I owned the machine shop that is going to do this work for you. I would make mucho money.
Gerald, The LS1's are hitting 11's with 450 or so horse at the back wheels. Also, slicks, gears, and lots of mods on the motor. NOS is the cheapest, but there are some doing it on motor after head & cam changes. Figure 15% drivetrain loss on the Hp and we have 530+ Horse to get in to the 11's. This is with a very low wind resitance too.
Now, take the Explorer that has the wind resitance of a parachute and you have to put serious Hp to the ground to hit 11's. Full body steel framed daily driven Explorer is going to need 1000 ponies at least. But, as stated earlier, how are you going to hook those ponies up? I had a Vega GT that had the horse power to run 10's, but since I spun tires for the whole 1/4 it never broke 15.2 It was fun to drive and intimidated people when you broke the back end loose on the highway just by mashing the go pedal. Oh well, past life.
Let's talk now. Do you remeber a certain Mustang convertible that was the cover car last year for Hot Rod magazine and several others? Well they had Nos, and Turbo on the motor put out over 1000 Hp, Full race frame and suspension. Ran on pump 93 octane gas. Well i talked with him on the Power Tour last year ( I had a 69 RS/SS convertible ) he could only get high 10's with all that horse power. Couldn't hook up the tires. Now the fun part. It cost over $250,000 dollars to build that car.
So Troll, yes I think you can do it, but it will take cash, and cash, and cash, and a little more cash.
I love talking about this stuff! Bench Racing ain't dead, it's just in a different form now.
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Gerald, The LS1's are hitting 11's with 450 or so horse at the back wheels. Also, slicks, gears, and lots of mods on the motor. NOS is the cheapest, but there are some doing it on motor after head & cam changes. Figure 15% drivetrain loss on the Hp and we have 530+ Horse to get in to the 11's. This is with a very low wind resitance too.
Now, take the Explorer that has the wind resitance of a parachute and you have to put serious Hp to the ground to hit 11's. Full body steel framed daily driven Explorer is going to need 1000 ponies at least. But, as stated earlier, how are you going to hook those ponies up? I had a Vega GT that had the horse power to run 10's, but since I spun tires for the whole 1/4 it never broke 15.2 It was fun to drive and intimidated people when you broke the back end loose on the highway just by mashing the go pedal. Oh well, past life.
Let's talk now. Do you remeber a certain Mustang convertible that was the cover car last year for Hot Rod magazine and several others? Well they had Nos, and Turbo on the motor put out over 1000 Hp, Full race frame and suspension. Ran on pump 93 octane gas. Well i talked with him on the Power Tour last year ( I had a 69 RS/SS convertible ) he could only get high 10's with all that horse power. Couldn't hook up the tires. Now the fun part. It cost over $250,000 dollars to build that car.
So Troll, yes I think you can do it, but it will take cash, and cash, and cash, and a little more cash.
I love talking about this stuff! Bench Racing ain't dead, it's just in a different form now.
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I think Troll may be half serious. I just clicked on his profile and went to his homepage and he's got pics of his setup with a Vortech and 347ci (?bored out?) and other goodies.
What's your dyno reading? You are STILL going to have a LONG way to go to get 800-1000 horsepower, but it can be done. $$$$$ ka-ching~~~
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What's your dyno reading? You are STILL going to have a LONG way to go to get 800-1000 horsepower, but it can be done. $$$$$ ka-ching~~~
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I think it can be done, even under 6 seconds, without any mods.
Put it on an aircraft carrier, tie it to the launch catapult, puff, there you go. Less than 6 seconds!!!! Dead Link Removed Dead Link Removed Dead Link Removed I never said it would be under control though.
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Put it on an aircraft carrier, tie it to the launch catapult, puff, there you go. Less than 6 seconds!!!! Dead Link Removed Dead Link Removed Dead Link Removed I never said it would be under control though.
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Since I'm the one that planted the seeds of doubt with Trolls initial post, I guess it's only fair that I also post anything I find in his defense.
I thought I had seen another post of his so I went back and poked thru some of the other topics. In 'Under the Hood' there is a thread called 'Turbo Charger'. You'll find a post from Troll going into specifics about turbo chargers. He starts out that he has already build an 11 sec. Explorer. Doesn't say if he ran it on a track with an official timing. Also states that his engine produces 500hp. At the bottom he lists his modifications and although I'm definitely no expert in this kind of application, his list is impressive. But having said that (not being an expert), I know enough to realize that 500hp are not enough to accelerate an Explorer to cover a 1/4 mile in under 12 seconds. Physics just don't allow it.
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I thought I had seen another post of his so I went back and poked thru some of the other topics. In 'Under the Hood' there is a thread called 'Turbo Charger'. You'll find a post from Troll going into specifics about turbo chargers. He starts out that he has already build an 11 sec. Explorer. Doesn't say if he ran it on a track with an official timing. Also states that his engine produces 500hp. At the bottom he lists his modifications and although I'm definitely no expert in this kind of application, his list is impressive. But having said that (not being an expert), I know enough to realize that 500hp are not enough to accelerate an Explorer to cover a 1/4 mile in under 12 seconds. Physics just don't allow it.
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Well, at first he said he had already built one and then at the end of the post he said he was working on it.
Troll, you do have me very curious since you do seem to be working on this. Have you actually dyno'd yours to verify you're really getting 500hp at the wheel? If so, what is your ET right now? Can you get it into the 13's? I'm honestly curious. Let us know!
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Troll, you do have me very curious since you do seem to be working on this. Have you actually dyno'd yours to verify you're really getting 500hp at the wheel? If so, what is your ET right now? Can you get it into the 13's? I'm honestly curious. Let us know!
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Where did Troll go? Anyways. Sorta on the subject... whats the higest HP on an explorer anyone has seen? I was just wondering how much the 4.0 can be pushed. I new cam, MAS, and hopefully a supercharger are in my future (Cumon BBK!). Plus I was looking into NOS systems. Why? I dunno.. just for kicks! 
Maybe later Ill put wings on it. And no, Im not gunna make my explorer into a sport truck! Thinking about raising it... but i dunno... hmmm.. Anyways, what are some numbers? I thought I saw someone with around 325 once. But Im not sure if that was real or what was involved.
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Maybe later Ill put wings on it. And no, Im not gunna make my explorer into a sport truck! Thinking about raising it... but i dunno... hmmm.. Anyways, what are some numbers? I thought I saw someone with around 325 once. But Im not sure if that was real or what was involved. Nick
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I am wondering what you plan on doing to make your car faster. I wanna modify my engine but don't know where to put my money first.
I am wondering what you plan on doing to make your car faster. I wanna modify my engine but don't know where to put my money first.
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I haven't seen a 4.0 that are really tricked out. So I would only be speculating as to how much HP they are capable of supporting. But I have seen V6s that are turbocharged with over 1000 HP. In fact, in a Turbo (or maybe Sports Compact Car) magazine I saw a 4 cylinder with 900 ponies. If you got money, it's amazing how much HP you can get out of a motor. Top fuel dragsters are producing in the neighborhood of 7000 HP. Of course they rebuild them after every race
Anyway, I'm completely rebuilding a 1996 4.0 OHV. I'm (with the help of DPS Motorsports) custom fabricating a turbo system for it. I got a good group of talented people walking me through this. I have no idea how much HP I will get but I'm sure I'll be well over 400 HP. Yah yah yah. We heard this story before haven't we? 
We can speculate all day long and get nowhere. But here is the plan:Start with a 1996 4.0 V6 OHV
Forged pistons
Forged connecting rods
High performance head components in a stock head with a 3 angle valve job
Balanced crankshaft
Relocation of battery, windshield washer and various other components to back in a custom built container where the spare used to be.
Custom exhaust manifold coming up and to the front of the engine compartment
Two Turbonetics (Toyota T26 equivalent) turbos plumbed to two custom intercoolers
The two intercoolers plumbed into a single throttle body
True dual 3" exhaust through high-flow cats and Maxflow mufflers
MSD (or other manufacturer) fuel management system with timing control
NOS direct feed system (just to get thing going)
Injectors (30 lb/hr)
Custom hood to allow more air circulation
Of course, this is all talk. I have a huge task in front of me here. I got a few bucks burning a hole in my wives purse and access to some very talented fabricators who are as enthusiastic about this as I am. Well, almost.
But even with all this planed work I wont even come close to an 11 second 1/4. Hell, I won't even be on the same clock. But I should (assuming the transmission hangs tough) have very very fast 0-60. And that, after all, is what I'm after
Anyway, as soon as I get the motor (tomorrow hopefully) I'll add a page to my web site with a step by step. It should be a slow process seeing how I'm not the most literate shade tree mechanic and there is a great deal of custom work being done.
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