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Two Batteries install. The easy way. Cheating of course.

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So I am tired of spending money and time on Dual battery setups. Now I am going to do it the easy way.
I am going to put "SPARE" Optima Yellow tops OR deep charge marine batteries in all my vehicles. The Optimas have a shelve charge life of 80% full in 12 months. The marine batteries have a 6-8 month shelve charge life of 80%. So, big deal, I have to charge them every 6-12 months or perhaps a little earlier because the shelf life will be reduced by the hot-cold weather. I may build some 4'-5' jumper cables to put right in the engine compartment or I may just put a few battery change tools in the engine compartment.
Just like the spare tire it will be there if we need it.
What am I missing here? It sounds too easy.
OOPS! I put this in the wrong place.
 



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Let us know how this works out for you. Would also dig seeing some pics of your final product on the "Battery mounted jumper lines".
 






Seems like if you're going to go through all the trouble of wiring it in with a set of cables, may as well go the extra 1/4 mile and install an isolator. Heck, if you want to go cheap on it, just buy a marine-grade battery switch from any local boat shop and connect it that way. Every once in a while, pop the hood, flip the switch to top off the reserve battery, and flip it back when you're done. :)

-Joe
 






Seems like if you're going to go through all the trouble of wiring it in with a set of cables, may as well go the extra 1/4 mile and install an isolator. Heck, if you want to go cheap on it, just buy a marine-grade battery switch from any local boat shop and connect it that way. Every once in a while, pop the hood, flip the switch to top off the reserve battery, and flip it back when you're done. :)

-Joe

That is one hella'va Idea....
 






Auto parts stores, West Marine, Northern Tools, and even Harbor Freight sell this switch. I think you should just keep a booster pack with you. It is easier, and cheaper. It doesn't take up much space, and you could transfer it from one vehicle to another. It could be recharged in the vehicle, or in your house.
 






Seems like if you're going to go through all the trouble of wiring it in with a set of cables, may as well go the extra 1/4 mile and install an isolator. Heck, if you want to go cheap on it, just buy a marine-grade battery switch from any local boat shop and connect it that way. Every once in a while, pop the hood, flip the switch to top off the reserve battery, and flip it back when you're done. :)

-Joe
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I must have miss stated what I am going to do. I am not wireing anything.The spare battery will just be sitting in one area the jumper cables will be sitting in another area both under the hood. NO connection. If the battery hooked up to the car goes dead I just grab the jumper cable under the hood and jump the spare battery to the dead battery.
Marine grade battery switch? The ones I saw just switch from one battery to the other and the heavy duty switch's (that can handle up to 350 Amps)cost around $25-$30.00. What does handle up to 350 Amps mean? If the battery is 900 Amps will it blow the switch? I am confused. How will it charge the spare battery?
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BB, I have 2 of those portable jumpers. I thought I bought the best but even those don't last as long as a marine battery would. They seem to lose their charge pretty fast espically in the cold weather. And besides, they are in the trunk or in the truck tool box and they get removed to another vehicle and when we get stuck they are not there. Thats why I want spare batteries straped under the hood in all of my vehocles where they will not "walk away"? LOL!
 






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I must have miss stated what I am going to do. I am not wireing anything.The spare battery will just be sitting in one area the jumper cables will be sitting in another area both under the hood. NO connection. If the battery hooked up to the car goes dead I just grab the jumper cable under the hood and jump the spare battery to the dead battery.
Marine grade battery switch? The ones I saw just switch from one battery to the other and the heavy duty switch's (that can handle up to 350 Amps)cost around $25-$30.00. What does handle up to 350 Amps mean? If the battery is 900 Amps will it blow the switch? I am confused. How will it charge the spare battery?

I guess I didn't read thoroughly like I should have... my bad...

A battery that is 900A means it has 900 Cold Cranking Amps available, but it doesn't mean it ever puts out the full current, (unless you drop a wrench across the terminals). The starter only draws a couple hundred... if the switch is rated for marine use, most marine inboards by Mercruiser are just Chevy engines, and the starters are conventional automotove starters, so it shouldn't be an issue. A regular starter draws all of a couple hundred amps at most.

My point was that if you're going to have two batteries (under the hood or wherever) why not use the vehicle's charging system periodically top off the charge? Plus, if you ever need it, the aux is just the flip of a switch away... no need for fancy cables or sparks (and no chance of inadvertently crossing the cables either). A switch would allow you to leave it set to the primary battery 99.99% of the time. Occasionally (maybe once a month, or every other month) you'd want to flip the switch to the secondary battery and use it... start with it and let it charge with the engine running. Take it for a drive, and when you park it, flip the switch back to the primary battery, leaving the backup battery stored and fully charged in case you need it.

A cheap one like this will run about $45 and is good for 300A of current continuous, 1500A intermittent.
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A more expensive one rated for 450 continuous, 1200 intermittent will run about $150
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I used this one in my boat for years, but it was a 150 Hp outboard... the starter was a bit smaller than an automotive starter, but the switch was rated for 250A continuous, 360A intermittent. and only ran about $35
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If you've got a winch on your truck, you'll want to watch the current draw on the winch and size it accordingly if you want the winch to draw through the switch. However, in that case, I'd probably wire the winch up to draw right from the battery anyways.

My other suggestion is that if you're going to pay the money for a heavy-duty switch, you're not far from the cost of a battery isolator.
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For $210, your alternator will ALWAYS charge both batteries, but your starting system will only draw off the one for starting purposes. You'd still need a set of jumper cables or a switch to put the batteries in parallel in the event the primary battery dies, but that's not such a big deal.

I know Cole-Hersee makes a good isolator too, but IIRC, it's somewhere around $300....

-Joe
 






OR common the ground of both batteries and use a diode to keep the battery charged on the hot side. A 10-20 amp diode should do for charging. I used a 100amp diode from a scrapped battery charger/starter assist. New on ebay 4 X 100 amp diodes for $10 (link below). I isolate one battery and run all accessories from this battery including radio/amp, off road lights, etc. That way my primary running battery is never abused and I can leave stuff on and not worry about starting the truck.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/1N3086R-Diode-2...oryZ7287QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 






how do you wire the diode? Got a pic. Do you run the battery in parallel. I'm new to this game...
 












Well I drew a diagram but cant upload it. If someone that can upload it wants to email me at brettt@microcal(remove this).com I would be glad to send it along. Its rough but practical


or just send me an email and I will send it back for your own use

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I am familiar with a isolator. My son and I put one on my old truck and his. Its just to time consuming and costly to put Isolators in all 8 of my vehicles and work trucks and leaving them in when we sell them. I like to sell them to people I know and they like knowing that I left everything in my trucks when I sell them. I like the idea of using just a Perko switch but the part I am having trouble understanding is using a Marine-Grade Battery switch like the Perko switch shown. How does my battery get charged? Sorry but I just don't get it.
 






What ever battery is selected will be used and charged, 1, 2, or both. The other battery is disconnected unless both is selected.
 






single diode isolation

First, Im not an expert but and idiot on a web forum.....so be advised....

This dual battery issue first poped up in a 75 bronco. The carb would flood the engine on steep climbs once in a while. If I kept it clean then no problems but I got stuck with not enough battery left to turn out the flooding and restart.(i know...just let it breath and it will start up but youth intervenes) So dual battery time. The 75 bronco had a starter and an everything else lead to the battery making splitting easy. The starter battery was seperated with a single diode and isolated from the accessories. Wire as if dual parallel battery but place a diode between the positive leads. The problem with this is that the charge voltage of a car battery is 13 to 13.8 volts. The voltage drop across the diode is .7 volts and just barley gave enough margin to charge the battery and would not charge the battery at all with the offroad lights on (12.9volt of a 135 amp alternator). While this will work if the vehicle is driven often without electrical load it will cause problems sometimes. This is why dual battery systems need the alternator lead to keep the batteries charged.

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