U HAUL AGAINST EXPLORERS!!!!

[NOTAJP]

Ausmartin: What a crack head. Obviously the #1 SUV with over 5 million Explorers on the road, it's going to be the #1 most accidents. Yes, there was tires issues with Ford and Owners putting a 4 ply tire (rated for a passenger car) on a truck and then loading it like a truck as it was meant to be. Heat is what kills tires. Over rating, under inflating, and normal driving heats up tires. With 5 million Explorers and four times that many Firestone tires on the road; there's going to be problems. Who said the roof will not handle the weight of the Explorer with the windscreen broken out? Please, how many rolled explorers on here only received a few dents? If the truck could not pass safety ratings, it would have never been sold and contiously being sold as we speak. I remember the report that Rick is talking about. The World needs to remember that the Explorer is a truck, not a car and should be driven as such. This is where the CJs in the 80's, and the Samauri's in the 90's got such a bad rap. Sure, if I drove my Exploder like I drive my Mustang, it's going to roll. Don't ever take a truck on the G-pad and expect great results. BTW, Consumer Reports ended up paying $$$$$$$$ to Suzuki for their faulse reports but it was still to late. Ford is paying owners of Explorer accidents because their are money hungary, lawsuit happy, blood thirsty sharks (lawers) that take every detail to the extreeme and the courts are granting them their settlements! It's cheaper to pay off settlements then to fight against the courts with even more bad publicity. People these days cannot be held accountable for their own actions. I wonder if I roll my Exploder on the Freeway @ 90mph and then sue Ford because they didn't tell me I could install a solid axle and 35" tires? What, I'd better not give anybody any ideas....

 

[sncwfo99]

Dre, don't be sorry for speaking the truth. we've got way to many people in this world just waiting for something to happen so they can sue whoever, for whatever. A lot of people make their living that way. People are always looking for someone else to lay the blame on, to many that aren't capable of standing up and admitting that they F'ed up.

 

[zip96]

Reading that article that was posted earlier made me remember that I had a tire go on our explorer a couple years ago. Going 50 - 60 mph the left rear decided to expel all of its air. The back end wiggled slightly but that was it. It took a couple seconds to realize that it was a tire that was the problem.

 

[dirty e]

my answer to the situation. When I rent a trailer, I will sign a piece of paper that says, if I roll my ex while pulling your trailer, I am a dumbass...etc.

seems that too many people forget that numbers and statistics tend to tilt in favor, or in this case against the group with the largest numbers. sorry to beat a dead horse guys...I just found out about all this, as I am trying to move via trailer. guess I'm screwed.

adam

 

[mx_racer_14]

Originally posted by RileyNugent
Our only hope is to lobby the NHTSA to force Ford to recall the problems with our cars. They have a website where you can describe your problems. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov I suggest that instead of adding you name to a list on the boycott, we should file complaint regarding the inadequate suspension and roof supports in the vehicle etc etc. If enough people complain maybe just maybe Ford will fix the problems. I am not counting on it. I really don’t think Ford would care if we all signed a petition that we would never by another FORD, which is true for me. The same goes for the Volvo. I am unloading all of my Ford products. I hope Ford goes broke!!!

First ausmartin and now this guy
Like others have said, if it didn't pass safety inspections then it wouldn't be on the road, if you don't want to buy a ford, thats your choice and no one here is gonna bash you for it, just as boycotting U haul for a decision that discriminates against us is our choice. as for your comments about the rear suspension and roof though, many suv's use a similar suspension, those that have gone to IRS have lost a lot of off road capability that SUV's are loved for. In my opinion they are nothing more than fancy mini vans once you take away there offroad and towing capabilities. If you had credentials as an automotive engineer then your opinions may be recieved a little better, but being involved in racing and learning physics and seeing carnage pics of MANY vehicles that have been involved in roll overs, if you hit the roof hard enough it is gonna collapse if you don't have a roll cage, The guy that built the roll cage for my dads land cruiser recomeded putting an x brace in because a friend of his that rolled a land cruiser at 70mph bent his full roll cage, I don't know enough physics or statics to calculate the exact force that a roof undergoes in the even of a rollover, but every roll over at High speed that I've seen pics of has done major damage to to roof. I believe that the explorer IS a SAFE and SECURE vehicle, but I also believe that if you drive an explorer you should understand the different handling charicteristics of the vehicle, Ford is NOT responsible for a persons driving mistake just because it is their vehicle, if it had an autopilot and you were injured then yes, because nothing you did contributed to it, but last i checked they only exist in the movies, so suck it up people and stop blaming ford unless you have the credentials or un biased experimenal not just theoretical data to back up your statements!!!

 

[RileyNugent]

Your right what was it thinking? Ford has a history of making safe vehicles and that whole thing about pintos catching on fire. Please!!! Yea that was just driver error. They would have never exploded if that stupid driver behind the Pinto didn’t rear end them.
http://home.att.net/~resurgence/Pinto.htm, http://www.fordpinto.com/blowup.htm

 

[Dre]

You can add all this to more horseshit about Isuzus rolling over... Suzukis rolling over... Wranglers rolling over... Audis with "sudden acceleration" and more and more vehicles that got bad press just because they didn't perform as some people wanted them to...one guy that wanted to get his name on the front pages.

Cars are built, we buy them and drive them and then later when someone drives the car through a crowd of people or into a busy market we look for car problems not driver error... no!!! we, people never make mistakes.... even when we do someone will find someone else to put the blame on.

I have been raised in a country that you as a person were responsible for your own actions... and if something didn't go right, you as that person were liable... nobody else. Look at the numbers... even between Great Britain and USA... how many new civil lawsuits we have in the US every day? That many lawsuitsGB has every year.

Good luck driving your cars, trucks and whatever you drive people.... but don't be looking for scapegoats once you do something stupid.
BTW - exploded? not due to poor design... it was in an accident! and you can expect it in an accident... cars don't cause accidents - people do!

 

[Brian97V8]

Way out in left field

Well since everyone is stretching this so far out I was thinking this morning. I need to go to a business with lots of money that has a smoking section. Then I am going to take one of the little match books with their logo on it. Then take those matches home and BURN DOWN MY HOUSE. Since the business did not SPECIFICALLY tell me NOT to do that then they should be liable for any and all cost associated with rebuilding my house. INCLUDING replacing all the "priceless" artwork I have on the wall. FURTHERMORE that company should be responsible to pay for me to go on every vacation I have ever been on since obviously all the pictures I had of said vacations got destroyed in the fire.

I think instead of all the different warnings we have on all the products these days we should only have one.

"If you use this product in a careless manner you might get hurt. If you use this product really carelessly you might die."

Where is survival of the fittest when you need it

 

[Dolphan]

OK, we need to send the same form letter to Ford and let them know that the owners of Explorers are not going to sit quietly while their vehicle becomes extinct and values plummet, and to make them aggressively defend their product. This could be the first step in fazing out the Explorer ala Pinto. Ford has a big problem on their hands, public and media perception can become reality. If there is nothing wrong with Explorers why does Uhaul, Firestone and Ford lose lawsuits, spending millions on lawyers and change their "business" policies. If Firestones are good tires and the wrong type were put on a SUV - why is Firestone closing many of it's stores. These are rhetorical questions!
Is it my imagination but the only TV ads I have seen lately are for the Expedition?
Has anyone received info from the form letter site, updates, confirmation, did it say when they planned on sending the letter?

 

[Dre]

it can not be done. Now these days companies and people can't really say what they mean... they have to say what is politically correct. Everybody knows what should of been said but nobody will tell them - that's really nuts! We have to watch our language, make sure we don't use a word that might be offensive... we can't say any words that might piss Blacks, Latinos, Jews, Poles, Italians, Gays, Lesbians and many, many more!!!

Where is this world going?

I'm gonna stop now. And that's the last post from me - I don't think Ford should defend their vehicles... it's useless - It would be rediculus.

 

[mx_racer_14]

mustangs and camaros used to explode when rearended also, thats why I installed my speaker box in a way to shield any gas from getting past the rear seat in event that it got rear ended in my 70 mustang, It is a design flaw that was made by many companies, not just ford and more than just the pinto, but it can be fixed, and ford dropped the pinto long ago from it's line up, when most of the tests done show the explorer is safe except those done by law firms and people that are suing ford or don't like ford it makes me wonder about the integrity of those said tests. what I don't get is that explorers were sold for a good 10 years with basically the same suspension, they may have gained some weight and they did change the bodies, but up until my senior year in high school they were safe vehicles. why would it take 10 years for this problem to develop, unlike most problems in other cars that are apparent in the first year of release of the model. just to food for thought.

Like Dre said, this is just adding to all the Horse ****, and this is also my last post cause i don't see this thread really going anywhere anymore.

 

[RileyNugent]

I checked alldata and could not find the pinto recall. I finally found it at http://www.recalldata.org/1971/12520.shtml

As for Brian97V8 Comments.

“ I am going to take one of the little match books with their logo on it. Then take those matches home and BURN DOWN MY HOUSE. Since the business did not SPECIFICALLY tell me NOT to do that then they should be liable for any and all cost associated with rebuilding my house. INCLUDING replacing all the "priceless" artwork I have on the wall.”

He is basically alleging that the failure to properly warn him caused his injuries. A warning defect, which is just one theory of “products liability.” Well the match worked as it was designed. And if you set out to burn your house with it that is an intentional act, and no the match maker should not be liable for your intentional act. I agree that there are frivolous lawsuits out there. I am just not convinced the issues with the Explorer are frivolous. With a products liability case there is more than one theory that one may base the lawsuit. (design defect, manufacturing defect, inherently dangerous, etc etc) For example, I don’t think the majority of people are wining lawsuits on Explorers for warning defects. (Which would be something like Ford didn’t tell me it would roll.) Instead people are suing and (winning I might add) for design defects.

I just don’t see how signing a list to be sent to a company that has already indicted that they don’t want your business is going to change things. I agree with Dolphan. I really don’t see that there is a lot that we can do except complain to Ford or complaint to organizations such as the Center for Auto Safety or the NTHSA. And we really can expect a lot. That is why I do advocate a boycott on purchasing any more FORDS. I realize that this is the wrong place to do that. I suppose that I could go to a Chevrolet Forum site and asking them to sign a petition that they will never buy a Ford. However, this would be as effective as having us sign a petition to UHAUL that we are no going to use them. In both situations the complaining class of people are not really potential customers anyway. So what’s the point?

Oh and for those of you that think that Fords safety problems are limited to just Explorers. Check out this letter that was sent to the chairman of Ford. http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=96&did=478 By the way, it appears that Ford did take limited action to assist some of the customers of Ford vehicles referenced in the letter with the bad head gaskets. See http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/ford_windstar.htm whether this action can be attributed to the Center for Auto safety is unclear. I know Brian It was just the “good will” of a wonderful company that never made a defective product. Those people just drove them to fast and too hard. As for the last post from Mx_racer14 maybe it didn’t take ten years for the problem to develop rather it took ten years for people to discover the pattern of the problems!!!

 

[Brian97V8]

Originally posted by RileyNugent
Well the match worked as it was designed. And if you set out to burn your house with it that is an intentional act, and no the match maker should not be liable for your intentional act.

EXACTLY!!

My Explorer is NOT designed to be a sports car. Yes the Spedo does go to 120. Does that mean I should drive it at 120 - probably not. So if I choose to drive my Explorer 120 and then suddenly decided I need a swerve around something on the highway and I happen to roll who is responsible? Ford for having a spedo that goes to 120 or the tire maker or how about the local law enforcement for not enforcing the law. I could go on but I feel this does not pertain to the original topic of the thread so I will stop.

 

[RileyNugent]

Brian: So what are you saying is that all of the injuries that occurred to the Explorer roll over victims was because they were driving at 120mph? Because those clearly are not the facts of the successful cases that I have read? If you have information that shows that people were driving 120mph during the roll overs please post the site.

 

[Dre]

I can't just sit here and listen to all this crap...

All that has happened in all those rollovers simply means that some people should not drive.

"Right attorney" will do wonders....

"""we're not at fault, we were just driving... the car rolled itself because it was built bad..."""

whatever!

 

[RileyNugent]

Well most of the rollover victims aren’t driving now. It wasn’t too long ago they were probably feeling like you “Ford is not such a bad company” those people in those Pinto’s were bad drivers. So, I guess I must agree with Brian it is a form of survival of the fittest. We sit around and complain about the lawyers, the victims and UHAUL while we ignore the facts and let Ford’s process of natural selection take us out roll over by roll over.

 

[Brian97V8]

Originally posted by RileyNugent
Brian: So what are you saying is that all of the injuries that occurred to the Explorer roll over victims was because they were driving at 120mph? Because those clearly are not the facts of the successful cases that I have read? If you have information that shows that people were driving 120mph during the roll overs please post the site.

I don't remember saying that. I simply tried to make a point that the vehicle was probably not driven as the manufacture intended. For Example: If the tires that I have on my vehicles say to keep inflated to 35 PSI with a load of 1100 pounds I would probably be asking for trouble if I decided I only wanted to run 20 PSI and load them with 1800 pounds.

Now back to a point on U-Haul: Has anyone heard about any developments on this issue?

 

[Brian97V8]

Originally posted by Dre

"""we're not at fault, we were just driving... the car rolled itself because it was built bad..."""

NOW THAT IS FUNNY!!!!

 

[Brian97V8]

One last rant - - - for now

Guns,

Person A decides to shoot person B. Who is at fault the gun company for making the gun or the person that pulled the trigger?

 

[99explorer5.0]

I think we could find a way to blame it on UHAUL.