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KB41786

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2009 Mercury Mountaineer
Hey all, has anyone had a problem with their Explorer having a really hard downshift into 1? Mine is an 09 Mountaineer AWD 4.6 and I think the problem is a hard downshift, anyway. I may not be searched correctly, but I can't find anything on the tranny or this forum about this specific problem. The problem is: When I am slowing down, just before I come to a stop, the vehicle shifts down into too low of a gear for the speed I am going. It's pretty uncomfortable and I can watch (in my mirror or the corner of my eye) my passengers' heads or entire bodies bob forward pretty significantly.

This is my second Mountaineer, I previously had an 04 (and I still would if I hadn't totaled it). My Dad also has an 06 Explorer and my uncle has an 03. None of them has ever done this.

I bought this thing at a dealership 250 miles from me and I didn't drive it in a stop and go fashion enough to notice it (like an idiot, I got it out on the highway and only tested high speed stuff). I took it to my local tranny whiz and then to my Ford dealership and both said that they felt what I was talking about and thought it was a bit odd, but neither knew what to do about it. The tranny whiz said that the problem was with the computer (which is beyond his realm) and the only thing that could be done was a dealer flash of the computer. The dealership flashed it, but no change. The dealership did find a leak at the rear of the tranny and said that the tranny fluid was extremely high (pretty fishy, for a leaky tranny). They lowered the level to the appropriate level and I drove the 250 miles back to the dealership I bought it from to get them to fix it or take it back. They refused to take the vehicle back (even though I had returned 7 days from when I bought it). They did fix the leak, though, and said they too felt the lunge and thought it was a problem, but later said it was normal operating conditions. Now, for the last two days, while I am driving on the interstate, I get a red screen that says "Service RSC Now" and a very loud chime to go with it. When this happens, the tranny starts bucking and I can't accelerate. Both times I was only 5 minutes from my destination and I got there. After letting it sit for a few hours while there, the vehicle drove fine back to my house.

I researched and found out that this RSC problem is likely the throttle position sensor, which I replaced today to the tune of $110. I drove it for a while today, after replacing the TPS and I didn't get the RSC alarm. I was hoping that this was somehow also the cause of the lunging when I near a stop, but no dice. It still lunges just before I stop and sometimes it is really bad--other times it isn't.

So, with all that info, does anyone have any idea of what I should try to fix this?
 



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Actually, after posting the above question, I did some more research and found this thread through a google search (not sure why I didn't find it when searching on Explorer Forum): http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318032

It sounds like I need to force the dealership to go through the full adaptive learning process. I doubt they did that.
 












Thanks SWS. Did you have that problem too?
 






Thanks SWS. Did you have that problem too?
No, although 5R55E transmissions are known to have a downshifting "bump" and short lifespan.
 






I've got two '10 with the V8 and 6r60s, one with 10k and the other with 55k. The 10k i don't really feel it but with the 55k i could. More like a double downshift as i came to a stop. how many miles on it? Buying used and with 55k i wanted to change all the fluids including a transmission service. After which the double bump went away, not sure if it helps.
 






JRFord, thanks for the info. Mine has 78k miles. I didn't have the tranny flushed or otherwise serviced (except for the repair of the leak and the draining of some of the fluid). Lucky you, for getting the problem to go away with a regular tranny service!

A friend of mine is a mechanic at a local Ford dealership, but his specialty lies elsewhere other than trannys. I asked him about the TSB, anyway (just to see if he had heard anything), but he seemed to think that if the flash was going to work, it would have worked last time (that it didn't matter whether they followed the driving directions on how to train the adaptive tranny). He said he'd get them to take another look at it, though. I'll probably take it to the dealership again this week (with the TSB). I'll post what I find out.
 






...I'll probably take it to the dealership again this week (with the TSB). I'll post what I find out.

Let us know how it goes at the dealer, KB41786. Was this a Certified Pre-Owned vehicle purchased at a Ford dealership?

Crystal
 






I had the same issue when I bought mine. Dealer reflashed and haven't had that issue since.
 






Thanks Crystal and White97Jimmy. This was not a CPO. I actually looked for CPOs, but couldn't find one that fit my parameters. Crystal, it's good to know that you/Ford monitor this site. Jimmy, it's good to hear that a flash repaired this problem for you; maybe the second time will work for me. I'll report back with my findings after my visit to the dealership.
 






I had the same issue when I bought mine. Dealer reflashed and haven't had that issue since.

IMO the fix sucks. It basically takes away first gear. Compared to my old 5 speed auto in my 02 Moutaineer this 6 speed blows. It's the least responsive auto I've ever driven and you have to manually row the gears like mad to get anything out of the engine. The more I drive this 06 the more I miss my 02. It's really a shame seeing the 06 has 50 more HP....but you'd never know it with this crappy 6 sp tranny.
 






No Luck

Well, I have had the PCM and TCM reflashed multiple times now, to no avail. I've also researched as much as I can. I have had the tranny serviced multiple times, too. Nothing repairs the problem. I almost always have the bump and sometimes it is really bad and audible. Crystal, is there anything you can do about this or something you recommend?
 






Well, I have had the PCM and TCM reflashed multiple times now, to no avail. I've also researched as much as I can. I have had the tranny serviced multiple times, too. Nothing repairs the problem. I almost always have the bump and sometimes it is really bad and audible. Crystal, is there anything you can do about this or something you recommend?

I've had mine flashed as well and it didn't do anything. I've been told it may be the trans solenoid, but that's like $1000 to repair. This transmission is the worst I've ever experienced.
 






When you are braking, is your foot on the right side of the brake pedal? Maybe even slightly angled towards the gas pedal? I have found that if i am braking with my foot angled towards the gas pedal, sometimes i am slightly hitting the gas at the same time. Its hard to tell because the drive by wire gas pedal spring is very light for the first bit. The only times i have the shift bump are when i get sloppy and am lightly hitting the gas too when braking.

Make note of this next time you drive and see if it could be part of the issue.

I had the reflash done too and didnt notice much of an improvement. Biggest improvement was from good pedal technique! Every time mine shifts hard to first im lightly on the gas too...
 






Mine was doing the same thing. Took the TSB to ford dealership but they convinced me to let a technician look at it for $120. When I picked it up the service manager said I need to pay $7k for a new transmission. Took it to another Ford dealership and had them perform the TSB reflash. Worked perfect ever since.

Unlike one of the above comments, I still have all 6 gears. Not starting off in gear #2.
 






No Luck

I have also been told that it may be the solenoid, but that's inside the tranny, right? It's definitely not an issue of concurrent gas and brake.
I have also taken it to two different Ford Dealerships, granted the first dealership was also the seller and didn't seem to have a clue about these TSBs (though they had it in for repair for a week). The second dealership flashed it once on their own and then flashed it again while I was with the technician. I performed the retraining driving sequence myself that second time, to no avail.
 






When you are braking, is your foot on the right side of the brake pedal? Maybe even slightly angled towards the gas pedal? I have found that if i am braking with my foot angled towards the gas pedal, sometimes i am slightly hitting the gas at the same time. Its hard to tell because the drive by wire gas pedal spring is very light for the first bit. The only times i have the shift bump are when i get sloppy and am lightly hitting the gas too when braking.

Make note of this next time you drive and see if it could be part of the issue.

I had the reflash done too and didnt notice much of an improvement. Biggest improvement was from good pedal technique! Every time mine shifts hard to first im lightly on the gas too...


I have also found myself on occasion hitting the gas pedal slightly with my right foot when braking. This is kind of scary when it happens, I now try to think about this issue from time to time. I have never had this problem with any other vehicle. I thought it was just me.
 






I have also found myself on occasion hitting the gas pedal slightly with my right foot when braking. This is kind of scary when it happens, I now try to think about this issue from time to time. I have never had this problem with any other vehicle. I thought it was just me.

For whatever it's worth, I've never had this problem. But then again I am a pretty good driver. :D
 






Tranny Issue

My issue is not driver-caused, in any way; I have, long ago, ruled out driver error by being aware of my driving technique and also having other people drive the vehicle (including Ford certified technicians). Again, there is no issue of concurrent gas and braking.
I have also had my area's premier tranny (hardware) specialist assess the problem. He verified the problem is not in the tranny, but electrical (something he can't address). This guy can fix anything in a tranny, but can't develop tranny control software and said I had a problem that only Ford could fix with a flash. The Ford technicians recognize the problem, but are stumped when the flash and re-training don't work (they send me home, saying "maybe the software will 'learn' after a few days," which it never does).
 



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I have also found myself on occasion hitting the gas pedal slightly with my right foot when braking. This is kind of scary when it happens, I now try to think about this issue from time to time. I have never had this problem with any other vehicle. I thought it was just me.

I noticed today that after I stopped, I put my left foot on the brake pedal and held the pedal down. I then put my right foot on the brake pedal and slid my foot to the right and noticed that the brake pedal was lower then the gas pedal ? Is this normal ? or does it indicate that my brakes need looking at ?
My brakes seem to work very well and stop just fine, should the pedal be higher ? Sorry about the long explanation :)
 






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