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Vibration at highway speeds..

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I have been having a problem with a vibration at highway speeds on my lowered Explorer. It appears to be worse with my 22"s on it but it still isn't completely fixed with the factory wheels on it. I have taken it to 3 different shops, all of which balanced my tires and still couldn't fix the problem. My tires are slightly cupping on the inside edge. The last shop said they believe my shocks are causing the problem.

The vibration isn't noticable until 55mph or higher and it feels like a tire being out of balance.

Can bad front shocks actually cause this?

If not, does anyone have any other ideas on how I can fix it?


As always,

Thanks for any help
 



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Have any of the front end components, i.e. ball joints, sway bar bushings (body and end link) been replaced yet, etc... If your tires look like /---\ from the front, your issues could be in the control arms/ball joints as well...
 






I am not sure the effects of lowering on the front of the Gen II's. But it is possible that an alignment issue is causeing feathering and cupping of the tires. Thus the tires are causing the vibration. Also, there are some instances of wheel and tire combo's that are just a ***** to balance properly. It is also possible to have things like axle shafts, drive shafts and U-Joints, wheel bearings and brake rotors to cause vibrations.
 






I had the same front end vibration. Ended up being my alignment off from lifting and dropping the front so much
 






Wear on the INSIDE edge could also be excessive toe OUT, as well as too much negative camber. The larger wheel and tire combination would only further exaggerate/aggravate this condition.

Have the front end thoroughly checked (ball joints/tie rod ends/etc...) Also have them carefully check the upper control arm bolts (the alignment eccentric setup) I've seen them loosen up. It looks fine while the truck is sitting there, but as the suspension cycles, they allow the upper control arm to flop around like a wet noodle, and change the alignment.

Once everything is checked out, and replaced if needed, get a good alignment done. If there is nothing wrong with your truck (frame bent,etc..), you haven't lowered TOO far, and the shop knows what they are doing; then it's is very possible to get it aligned properly. Make sure when you take it in, it's loaded the way it most commonly is driven, with the fuel tank about half full. Also, I like to ask if I can sit in the drivers seat while they do it, or at least place an equivalent amount of dead weight in the drivers seat (cement bags/dumb bells/etc...)

Also, when they balance the tires, have them check carefully for both an out-of-round condition, as well as lateral runout of both the wheel and tire. It may require dismounting, and spinning the wheel by itself on the balancer. It is possible for a wheel/tire assembly to appear balance, but have a hop (out of round) or vibration (run out) due to these conditions. Also, with tires that large, it may be a good idea to find a high performance shop that knows how to do "match balancing". It will cost more, as they have to mount/dismount/re-balance each wheel at least twice, but it helps to minimize the amount of wheel weight needed to balance each assembly. This in turn can reduce the occurrence of high speed vibrations.

The bottom line though, is that those 22" rims are simply not appropriate for the suspension and design characteristics of the 2nd gen Explorer. Yes, people use them, but this thing is a truck, not a Cadillac. It already rides a bit harsh. Adding a lowered suspension, and reduced travel, and then putting rubber band tires, and large diameter rims only makes it worse. Tires have a certain spring rate to them. This will vary, based on a number of factors (tire diameter, rim diameter, rim width, sidewall height, number of ply, tire material, tire construction, air pressure, tire and air temps,etc....) The oem factors this spring rate into the design of the vehicle, based on the oe tire type/size. IE;, they can use a bit stiffer/harsher chassis setup, and then tune the ride with tire. Sure there is a bit of room to play. You can go a little bigger, if you're willing to trade ride quality for handling, up to a point. 22"'s on an Explorer goes beyond that point though, and will lead to problems. Lowering it already reduces suspension travel. Rims that large reduce it even more. When the suspension bottoms out, parts bend and break.
 






Like I stated in my first post, my problem is there with the factory wheels and tires also.

I had an alignment done right after I lowered it, everything checked out perfect but the camber is off -1 degree out of spec on one side and -.5 on the other. The shop I took it too has been very helpful and seem to be very knowledgeable and they said this difference wouldn't cause a problem.

The suspension components including balljoints and all were checked out and in good shape.

The wheels were checked, The inside lip of two were slightly out of round but once again, the performance shop it was at said the amount was small and that wouldn't cause the vibration that I feel, plus those two are on the back and the front tires are the ones cupping and causing my vibration.
 






I have been having a problem with a vibration at highway speeds on my lowered Explorer. It appears to be worse with my 22"s on it but it still isn't completely fixed with the factory wheels on it. I have taken it to 3 different shops, all of which balanced my tires and still couldn't fix the problem. My tires are slightly cupping on the inside edge. The last shop said they believe my shocks are causing the problem.

The vibration isn't noticable until 55mph or higher and it feels like a tire being out of balance.

Can bad front shocks actually cause this?

If not, does anyone have any other ideas on how I can fix it?


As always,

Thanks for any help

Like I stated in my first post, my problem is there with the factory wheels and tires also.

I had an alignment done right after I lowered it, everything checked out perfect but the camber is off -1 degree out of spec on one side and -.5 on the other. The shop I took it too has been very helpful and seem to be very knowledgeable and they said this difference wouldn't cause a problem.

The suspension components including balljoints and all were checked out and in good shape.

The wheels were checked, The inside lip of two were slightly out of round but once again, the performance shop it was at said the amount was small and that wouldn't cause the vibration that I feel, plus those two are on the back and the front tires are the ones cupping and causing my vibration.

1st, you yourself stated that the problem is worse with the larger wheels/tires; reinforcing my statement that wheels/tires that large will exaggerate / exacerbate steering/suspension issues.

2nd, I don't care what the shop said; ANY amount of out-of-round is unacceptable, and WILL cause a vibration from wheel hop. It's just a question of what speed(s) it will happen at, and how bad it will be. Fresh shocks might be able to hide it for a while, but eventually it will reappear. Also, you mention that the vibration is in the front. Sometimes it can seem like a vibration is coming from one place, when it's really coming from somewhere else, or multiple places. Try swapping the front and rear wheels; see if anything changes.

3rd, the last shop might have been onto something. New shocks, all the way around, might help. But, again, they will only cover up the problem temporarily.

4th, As knowledgeable as the alignment shop may seem to be, or as much as you like them, they are obviously missing something, or the problem would be fixed. Maybe try taking it to a good body shop, and let them check it out. Unless you've owned it from new, there could be something you're not aware. Something could be bent, that only a body/frame specialist would notice?

5th, You said you've had the tires balanced, but have you tried the match balancing I suggested? With tires as large as yours, you may want to look into a product such as Equal tire balancing beads. Google it.
 






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