Here is some information I pulled from another website: If you start comparing apples to apple and look at comparably rated winches you'll find that the Warns have significantly higher line pull ratings once you get out to the 2nd and 3rd layers where you'll be using your winch the most. Winches are rated by the first layer line pull, but you have to leave about 1/2 this wrapped on the drum for safety. Plus, that's a lot of line you'd be spooling out. Most of the winching operations I've witnessed don't spool out the winch line that far and instead use layers 2-3. To give you an idea: Warn M8000 pull by layer 1 / 8000 lb. 2 / 7280 lb. 3 / 6670 lb. 4 / 6230 lb. Milemarker PE 8000 pull by layer 1 / 8000 lb. 2 / 6335 lb. 3 / 5243 lb. 4 / 4473 lb. 5 / 3900 lb. So by the time you get to layers 2 and 3 the Milemarker winch is giving up about a 1/2 ton pulling advantage to the Warn. (and almost a full ton by layer 4) Not to mention the Warns are signifitantly faster. This isn't that big of a deal when you're winching under load. In those instances most winches go about the same speed. The big difference is the no-load line speed. When you are winding in a winch after an operation the Milemarkers are unbelievably slow whereas the Warns spool in the cable at a good clip. It may not seem like a big deal now but once you get a winch you'll find you use it frequently. If for no other reason than you're helping other people out. When you get done using your winch you just want to get rolling again, not wait for it to spool in left over winch cable. Personally, I think the Warns are worth the price they command. When you start looking at all the other ancilary things and digging into some of the technical data they come out on top. Not to mention Warn plan out their winch line so they can support them for the long haul, even decades after a particular line has been discontinued. -------------------------------------------------------- The reference for the pull data for the Warn / Milemarker comparison. I got the information straight off of the respective company websites. When you start to compare the various winch specs the Warns nearly always are on top by a substantial margin. Ramsey is closer than the Milemarker to the Warn and the T-Max line closer yet, but it's still no contest. Here's some more data to look at, I'll list the sources this time. The top list are the 8000 lb. winches and the bottom are the 9500 lb. winches. I tired to find comparable winches as best I could: 8000 lb. WINCHES T-Max EW-8500 (company website) Motor Rating = 5.5 hp Line Speed No-load = 37.2 ft/min Line Speed Full-load = 7.2 ft/min Line Pull by Layer 1 / 8500 lb. 2 / 6900 lb. 3 / 5845 lb. 4 / 5100 lb. Ramsey REP 8000 (company website) Motor Rating = 3.8 hp Line Speed No-load = 36 ft/min Line Speed Full-load = 5 ft/min Line Pull by Layer 1 / 8000 lb. 2 / 6500 lb. 3 / 5500 lb. 4 / 4800 lb. Milemarker PE 8000 (company website) Motor Rating = 4.1 hp Line Speed No-Load = 13 ft/min Line Speed Full-load = 5 ft/min Line Pull by Layer 1 / 8000 lb. 2 / 6335 lb. 3 / 5243 lb. 4 / 4473 lb. 5 / 3900 lb. Warn M8000 (company website) Motor Rating = 4.8 hp Line Speed No-load = 42 ft/min Line Speed Full-load = 8 ft/min Line Pull by Layer 1 / 8000 lb. 2 / 7280 lb. 3 / 6670 lb. 4 / 6230 lb. The T-Max line fared better than I would have expected in this line up. I tried to get data for the Superwinch but they wouldn't breakdown their information according to line pull by layer so I didn't include any of their data. Looking "just" at the rated winch capacity of the first layer which is what everybody advertised they all look comparable. But when you look more closely at the line speeds and the load ratings on the 2nd and 3rd layers (where you're more likely to use the winch) the Warn handily out pulls the competition. Again, the T-max came closest but it was still no contest. This theme was consistent when looking at the larger 9,500 lb. winches. 9500 lb. WINCHES T-Max EW-9500 (company website) Motor Rating = 5.5 hp Line Speed No-Load = 29.5 ft/min Line Speed Full-Load = 7.2 ft/min 1 / 9500 lb. 2 / 7700 lb. 3 / 6500 lb. 4 / 5700 lb. Ramsey Patriot 9500 (company website) Motor Rating = 5.5 hp Line Speed No-load = 35.4 ft/min Line Speed Full-load = 7.8 ft/min 1 / 9500 lb. 2 / 7780 lb. 3 / 6600 lb. 4 / 5725 lb. 5 / 5050 lb. Milemarker SE9500 (company website) Motor Rating = 4.6 hp Line Speed No-load = 23 ft/min Line Speed @ 8000 lb. = 6.5 ft/min (no published rating for full load) 1 / 9500 lb. 2 / 7500 lb. 3 / 6200 lb. 4 / 5300 lb. Warn 9.5xp Motor Rating = 6hp Line Speed No-load = 38 ft/min Line Speed Full-load = 7.6 ft/min 1 / 9500 lb. 2 / 8650 lb. 3 / 7920 lb. 4 / 7400 lb. 5 / 6940 lb. Wow! Even I'm a little surprised at these results. Again, while they are all rated the same for the first layer, by the 2nd layer the Warn is out pulling it's closest rival by nearly a 1/2 ton, right off the bat. By Layer three it has almost a 3/4 ton pulling advantage over most of the winches. And if anybody wanted to compare layer 4, Warn is out pulling a similarly rated Milemarker by over 2000 lb. and well over 3/4 ton compared to the other winches. Not to mention the fact that when Warn developed their new winch line they upgrated the electronics, sealing, new generation of motor, more durable finish, etc.