Wow! CoryL I really admire the things you have done. You're one of the few people on this board that is really amazing. I wish I could fabricate the way you do but that is a long way and a lot of work away. It is a real honor to have someone like you come to this site. Unfortunately it seems like most people on here now like to think of their explorers as "sporty trucks" rather than 4x4s. I know that a stock Explorer isn't a Wrangler, but I still have fun on the relatively easy terrain. I don't mean to cause arguments, but I personally feel that if I would have invested the same amount of time and money in a more off-road suited vehicle such as a CJ, YJ, or TJ, I would have wound up with a far more capable (off-road) vehicle. Can anyone really argue with that?