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Originally posted by Frankkube
Ok, I bought a can of R134 with the gauge and attahed it to the low pressure side, this is the side behind the battery that comes right off the can, The instructions said the fitting would only fit the low pressure valve so I pretty sure I did it right. The gauge read 142, which according to the directions, appears to be nice and full of refridgerant.. Still blowing warm. I noticed during this task that the wheel attached to the serpentine belt directly in front of the compressor (clutch maybe?) was constantly cycling on and off about every five seconds. Should that be cycling so often? I also swapped the relay with a new one just to be sure.

Any ideas? I really appreciate the overwhelming assistance with this.. Frank

Nope it shouldn't cycle all the time. Mine would read really high on the pressure when it cycled on then it would read really low when it cycled off.

Turned out mine was low on 134a. I added more and a week later the same problem. My accumulator had rusted through and it was replaced and recharged and now it works great.

A lot of trucks have the accumulator rust out. It is very common.

Good Luck
Mikeh
 






Went to Firestone today to have them look at this problem. They said they couldn't diagnose the system today because the air temparature (weather) was under 65F. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
 






A/C Cyclic Switch

The A/C cyclic switch is mounted on a Schrader-type valve fitting on the top of the suction accumulator/drier assembly. A valve depressor, located inside the threaded end of the A/C cyclic switch, presses in on the Schrader valve stem as the A/C cyclic switch is mounted and allows the suction pressure inside the accumulator/drier housing to activate the A/C cyclic switch. The electrical contacts are normally open when the suction pressure is at or below 169 kPa (24.5 psi); they will close, activating the A/C clutch, when the suction pressure rises to approximately 275-324 kPa (40-47 psi) or above.

Lower ambient temperatures (below approximately 7°C or 45°F), during cold weather, will prevent the contacts from closing, due to the pressure/temperature relationship of the refrigerant in the system.

The electrical contacts control the electrical circuit to the A/C compressor clutch field coil. When the contacts are closed, the A/C compressor clutch field coil is energized and the A/C clutch is engaged to drive the compressor. When the contacts are open, the A/C compressor clutch field coil is de-energized, the A/C clutch is disengaged and the compressor does not operate. The A/C cyclic switch, when functioning properly, will control the pressure at a point where the plate/fin surface temperature will be maintained slightly above freezing which prevents icing and the blockage or airflow.
 






The gauge read 142

Miles per hour? Amps? Volts? psi? KPa? or rpm?

Seems high for psi but low for KPa.
 






Sorry Bruce.. Whatever a pressure gauge is on A/C.. PSI I believe
 






Is there a place that I can send some charts to help you guys with ac system pressures, switch location etc? I have them if, if you would like them, drop me an email or let me know who needs them. They are .gif format "pictures". I'd be happy to load them up for everyone.

Todd
 












Ok frank I sent them to your email. But I forgot to put a subject in the subject line. The email from tmh620 is from me.

GoodLuck :p
 






well so far in this thread we've covered everything from "black death" to low freon. Until about 1994 or 1995 most manufacturers used R-12 in auto refrigeration systems. It was determined that R-12 (a chloroflourocarbon based substance) was depleting Ozone. It's manufacture was banned post 1996, so most automakers looked for a chlorine free substitute... voila R-134a. It is still what they use.

Regardless fo the refrigerant the cycle is the same. A compressor compresses gas into a liquid, causing heating. The heated liquid runs through a condensor (think radiator) where air removes heat. The liquid is directed to an expansion valve, which allows a metered amount of refrigerant to pass and expand into a gas. That expansion causes it to cool, and it picks up heat through the "evaporator) think small radiator in the passenger compartment) where it passes back to the compressor to begin the cycle again. If you are interested it is the "latent heat of vaporization" that make this whole thing work, more or less.

Now, what can go wrong? Well, in the simplest of systems, if you do not have enough refrigerant, that'll do it, and in a lion's share of cases that IS it. Fair enough, have someone put a gauge set on it and run the system and see. Not a simple auto parts store gauge, but a refrigerant gauge set. Your comment about 143 pounds makes no sense because you should have been charging into the low side, which does NOT get that high. Also.. you cannot MIX refrigerants! If you have an R-12 system you HAVE to add R-12. R-134a needs R-134a. AVOID SUBSTITUTES!!!! DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE attempt a DIY conversion from R-12 to R-134a. Why ? They DO NOT WORK for long term and will ruin your compressor or worse. AC people refer to these as death kits.

Ok if there is an adequate charge and NO AC, then what? Now we start to get into what makes each individual system different. It could be a defective pow pressure switch preventing the compressor from running. If the clutch cycles the low pressure switch probably can be eliminated. The compressor could be burning up and have thrown off metal shavings and soot clogging the expansion valve. This is the so called black death, and not uncommon on EXplorers where the fx-10 and fx-15 compressors seemed prone to lack of lubrication failures. Although a replacement of this little plastic valve may temporarily solve the problem, it usually means a "firewall forward" rebuild. I did one on my 92 Explorer, and at my discount the parts - condensor, compressor, accumulator, receiver dryer, expansion valve and R-12 cost me nearly $600. And that was without ANY labor or parts markup.

The list of possibles goes on from there, most system dependent.

Without checking a dealer cannot tell what the problem is, and to just assume no cool air means a $2000 rebuild is stupid. Take it to a good AC shop and have them check it for you. It will be money well spent. I do AC, have the training, and see more problems arising from DIY kits than any other single source. Hope this helps.
Chris
 






Took it to Firestone and wouldn't you know it, it needed a charge.. I was out the door 135.00 dollars later.. They filled it with the dye, but couldn't find a leak..

So much for the dealer 2000.00 estimate.

Thanks for all the advice.
 






Nightmare dealer stories are a dime a dozen. Example, my hometown Ford dealership is high in price and repair cost and nobody trust them. I go to college 45 miles away and the dealer is still high in car prices, but the service department is the same cost as other non-dealer repair shops. My X ran warm air last spring, so I filled it. (1994 was the switchover year on a/c, depending on mfg date). I blew cool for one day. Ford replaced the low and high side lines and refilled for about $400. If your compressor and evaporator are good, this should have been cost. Just my experience.
 






I used a do it your self retrofit kit on my 91. It was at least three years ago and it stilll blows cold. I replaced the orfice tube filter, accum/drier, lubed up all the O rings in the system with O ring conditioner, put under a vac and recharged with the 134a. I think all tools + retrofit kit cost me under $130.
 






Bronco... sounds to me like YOU did it RIGHT. My earlier voiced complaint was the Wal-Mart conversion kits where you just changed the fittings - hooker'd er up and did yer thing. Sounds like you went the pro route DIY. Good job. And YAY... you replaced the accumuator! I harp on always doing that when you have a system open. Replacing the O-tube is a good check for early system failure in any event.
 






At least one of my trucks has air after all that braging about my 91, The air in my 97's is blowing warm.
 






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