Any way to extract vehicle speed info?

[Sgt1411]

Sorry about the ticket - sucks when the cops are lying.

Here is s tool to prevent or support your next ticket. I've used it a few times to get out of speeding tickets when i wasnt speeding.

http://www.vehiclespeedlogger.com/index.htm

For 0.99 its not a bad try. I like it and have it installed on every phone in my house.

The cop is lying?.....what are you basing that on?.....some guy on an Internet forum posts that his wife got a ticket and she never speeds?

EVERYONE speeds, EVERYONE lies. Even wives of guys on Ford Forums....yup as amazing as that seems it happens.

Without knowing the facts, not 2nd hand hearsay, thats a pretty bold statement to say the cops lying.

Thats like saying "I know that guy is great guy he could never have killed his entire family no way" Guys do kill their entire families, just an FYI.

The cop could have made a mistake but its more likely the Radar/Laser technology in his police vehicle told him what the speed was, not made up in his head. If the equipment is faulty then the ticket needs to be dismissed.

Lying as a cop can result in loss of employment so its a big risk for a simple speeding ticket.

As an aside I think traffic enforcement is another form of taxing the general public, only serious or dangerous offences should result in ticketing. The speed difference in this case is negligible.

What would be more unethical would be if a cop who belonged to a Ford Forum used some Law Enforcement restricted software to pull IP info from a particular poster and pass that info to his brother officer in the same jurisdiction as the poster. Then that officer specifically targeted that person and wrote him a speeding ticket. That I agree is unethical.

Or if the officer saved a home garage photo from that poster and then using Law Enforcement software extracted the meta data from that photo that gave the XY coordinates from where the photo was taken. Again very unethical.



But your probably right, the cop was most likely lying.

 

[13Sport]

hehehe .. was waiting for Sarge

 

[Sgt1411]

I waited as long as I could but then the "Trigger Post" went up and its GO TIME!

A little tongue & cheek honesty never hurts anyone.

 

[roamingphantom]

I waited as long as I could but then the "Trigger Post" went up and its GO TIME!

A little tongue & cheek honesty never hurts anyone.

Sarge, nothing personal. I live in NYC and if you read the newspapers you know better than trust cops. Of course it doesn't apply to all but hey, don't we all get painted with the worse brush. I am in the investment business and everyone thinks of Madoff when I say I am in the investment banking business.

hope the OP resolves this positively

 

[Sgt1411]

Sarge, nothing personal. I live in NYC and if you read the newspapers you know better than trust cops. Of course it doesn't apply to all but hey, don't we all get painted with the worse brush. I am in the investment business and everyone thinks of Madoff when I say I am in the investment banking business.

hope the OP resolves this positively

All good.......yes I saw the trouble in NYC.......I'm reading more that this video might have more to it that the public never saw so he might be OK.

Just keep in mind all professions have their bad apples, I make no excuses for the bad ones in my profession but it seems like the bad ones in my line of work get a lot more attention.

Doctor negligence kills 10X the amount of people that cops do ever year but you never about that on CNN.

I get in trouble all the time because I dont write enough tickets. I stick to my belief that its another form of tax and the average speeder doesn't need a ticket to change behaviour. Speeds are too low on most roads IMHO.

Sorry for thread hijack but to the OP I will ask one of the Ford Engineers if I can post the ECM data we pull off a vehicle to show what it has.

 

[roamingphantom]

All good.......yes I saw the trouble in NYC.......I'm reading more that this video might have more to it that the public never saw so he might be OK.

FYI - the driver of the SUV is a colleague of mine, we work for the same company. Very nice guy he is...would give the shirt off his back to help someone. Many folks have their opinions - I know him since we worked on a couple of projects together.

 

[gdecamp]

Doctor negligence kills 10X the amount of people that cops do ever year but you never about that on CNN.

In all fairness this story is really not about cops, it was about a rogue motorcycle gang that beat on a SUV driver. Later in the story a cop was implicated but the story was already on CNN not because of the cop but because of the jerks on the bikes. My son is NYPD and most of the cops I met from NYPD are honest hard working people.

I know you agree with this just hate to see the cops taking the headlines in this story, it was not about the cop!

 

[Sgt1411]

In all fairness this story is really not about cops, it was about a rogue motorcycle gang that beat on a SUV driver. Later in the story a cop was implicated but the story was already on CNN not because of the cop but because of the jerks on the bikes. My son is NYPD and most of the cops I met from NYPD are honest hard working people.

I know you agree with this just hate to see the cops taking the headlines in this story, it was not about the cop!

Good point

 

[1995E]

You can fight that in court using GPS records if she has it.

Or you can also use this:

http://www.policeone.com/bizarre/articles/5409373-Calif-man-uses-physics-to-get-out-of-400-ticket/

 

[elitek9]

Just to bring a bit of "backup" for Sgt1411....

The reality is that people speed. In my experience, when most of those people get caught, they either deny it or try to lie their way out of it, even though they know they were wrong in the first place. It's human nature to lie or deny, some people just can't help it.

Maybe the officer made a mistake in this speeding incident that this thread is about..... Officers are people too, they sometimes make mistakes (and with the large amount of split second decisions and high adrenaline incidents most are faced with in a shift, mistakes are bound to happen). I can say that when I write traffic tickets, especially speeding tickets, I am always 100% certain of which vehicle I am observing speeding and subsequently stopping.... If I am unsure, I don't write a ticket. My job and credibility on the stand in court isn't worth lying to get a conviction on a $100 speeding ticket. Some other Officers are like me (and I'm sure some others might not be) but a simple post on a Ford forum isn't enough for me personally to judge whether "the cop was lying or not" in this case..... Some other people may have superpowers that allow them to draw their own "accurate" conclusions in this case... I don't know.

BUT all I can say is.... If your wife doesn't agree with the ticket, take it to court....That is EXACTLY what court is for. Here in Canada, everyone has the right to plead not guilty and take a ticket to court if they do not agree with it. I'm sure the States is no different. She has a right to fight the ticket and have her day in court, and let the Judge decide.

Matt

 

[peterk9]

You can fight that in court using GPS records if she has it.

Or you can also use this:

http://www.policeone.com/bizarre/articles/5409373-Calif-man-uses-physics-to-get-out-of-400-ticket/

According to a subsequent post by the OP, this is dead issue. Wife has said she will not fight the ticket.

Peter

 

[sqwirl]

Am I the only one that noticed that she had the cruise set for 58 in a 55? So regardless, she was still breaking the law. Pay the ticket and move on.

 

[Sgt1411]

So I spoke to an Engineer at Ford regarding the ECM download.

You have data stored in the ECM only after an "EVENT" defined as:

Airbag Deployment Event = Impact that deploys airbag.

Non Airbag Deployment Event = Impact sufficient enough to be sensed by the gyroscopic sensors such as hitting a curb/speed bump at speed that causes the suspension to fully travel then come down hard.

If you took the software and tried to download the ECM data after regular driving without one of these event types you would get a document that states "No Event Found"

The file produced is in PDF format so it cant be changed.

So the answer to your question is, no your wife's vehicle speed previous to the traffic stop is not held in the ECM. It needs one of those two triggers to capture and hold that data.

 

[elitek9]

So I spoke to an Engineer at Ford regarding the ECM download.

You have data stored in the ECM only after an "EVENT" defined as:

Airbag Deployment Event = Impact that deploys airbag.

Non Airbag Deployment Event = Impact sufficient enough to be sensed by the gyroscopic sensors such as hitting a curb/speed bump at speed that causes the suspension to fully travel then come down hard.

If you took the software and tried to download the ECM data after regular driving without one of these event types you would get a document that states "No Event Found"

The file produced is in PDF format so it cant be changed.

So the answer to your question is, no your wife's vehicle speed previous to the traffic stop is not held in the ECM. It needs one of those two triggers to capture and hold that data.

So next time you get pulled over and don't agree with it, bump the guard rail or another fixed object to ensure that the air bags go off and the ECM records the speed!

.... Kidding