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Anyone here attempted to use a 5.0L MAS body with their 4.0L MAS sensor? (more)

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have heard rumors, read posts, and talked to Sven Pruett about this. What I have heard is that it is possible to use a 5.0L MAS sensor body (aluminum part) and insert the 4.0L sensor into it. Giving me a larger air passage without changing the sensor reading.

HAs anybody done this?
Did it work?

Sven told me he has talked with a few people who have tried it and got lucky, meaning it worked.
He also said that others who tried had problems (Check engine light, improper fuel/air).
He said he did not recommend this mod, he said my best bet was to buy one of his MAS

I would love to get the Grantinelli but $300 is a lot if this mods actually works...

Any feedback is helpful.
Thanks!

I may try it if I can get a junk yard to part with a 5.0L MAS for cheap....
 



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I have switched the electronics from a 5.0 mass air sensor into a 4.0 mass air sensor and it worked fine. Never tried switching the whole mass air sensor but maybe I will. I have a few of them sitting in a box in the garage. When I have time I will let you know if it works.

Devin
 






Okay.. let me get this right.. you get the 5.0 MAS... and switch out the actual sensor from the 4.0? Hmmm... intresting. I was looking at that Gratnawhatever MAS myself... but this 5.0 thing sounds intresting... how big is the 5.0 sensor compared to the 4.0?

nick
 






I'll find out soon enough...

I ordered one last Friday and I'm waiting on it's arrival. Also waiting on a new tb as well
 






Well I installed the BBK 66mm TB last night and (more)

it kicks but!
Here's my intake setup so far (93 4.0L in a 88 BII)

I have a 4" heavy duty dryer hose running from the stock intake location (next to headlight). I removed the stupid plastic guard and cut the stock hole open to 4" dia. Used a 4" PCV toilet flange to mount the 4" tube to the radiator support. From there it runs under the battery tray and up where the AC canister used to sit (think 2.9L). For now I have the 4" tube feeding into the stock airbox, cut open a little to accept it. Used a staple to hold it in.
The airbox has a K&N drop in. For now I have the stock MAS and 93 intake hose (yuck!) Thats right boys and girls I still have the "air muffler" installed. What a joke! I like it when people say, "I want to open up my intake but I dont want it to be loud" HAHAHAH! The air muffler is a joke, besides restricting the flow it also sits right on top of the radiator. Hmmm lets restrict the flow so it's quiet and then heat the air up! Great idea!
So thats next, I have a few tubes I'm working with now to replace the whole shebang. My problem is the huge 4 core aluminum radiator I got from Ford leaves little room between the 4.0L and electric fan in the BII. So the alternator and belt are right there. If I had a cowl hood or a slight body lift I would have enough room to simply run a 3" silicoln high temp intake hose. Working on that problem now.
Then once that is figured out it's back to a true ram air setup. This means a setup similar to the KKM but with my cold air feed tube mounted over the entire cone element. K&N makes these new cones with a open tip, that would work perfect. The problem is then where to mount the MAS and how to keep the water out. My old setup on the 2.9L worked great (see my site for pics) so I'll do something similar.

Ok so now back to the TB.
Keep in mind I live in Denver. It takes 20% more air pumping through the intake and exhaust to get back to sea level. (rule of thumb). So a mod like the TB up here has more of an effect. From driving it last night and this morning I can tell you there is a big difference. Not in overall power (best guess 3HP), I mean I definatley gained a few HP but the biggest change is in the high end and throttle response. She is much quicker to respond off the line and when passing. Really opened up the intake! Accelleration is much quicker, the tires want to break free easier. Passing is much easier and quicker.
The BBK unit is high quality, comes with everything you need and looks sharp. Much larger then stock. It mated up to the upper intake perfectly, no matching is needed. The throttle linkage needed a slight adjustment to get the base idle set. Installation took about 1/2 an hour, another 1/2 hour of testing :) and another 15 minutes to disconnect the IAC and set the idle to 500 RPM.
I'm impressed. Now I want to see what happens when I get rid of the tiny MAS. At WOT even with the air muffler and stock airbox she growls. Personally I like a loud intake, but I'm sure it could be kept quiter with some heat tape and isulation. I also found some slight adjustment to the throttle cable necessary. I crimped a small piece of tubing (about 3/8") over the end of the cable (pedal side) to ensure quick response and a fully open butterfly in the TB. This was necessary because I am using a 93 Explorer throttle cable in my 88 BII, others may not need this.

She really scoots now...

I would reccommend this mod to anyone with a 4.0L. Especially high altitude or supercharger motors. It will probably not do you much good on a stock engine with the stock intake and exhaust, but it's a good place to start.

In addition to my intake mods I also have:
JBA headers
2.25" Dynomax cat back (soon to be 2.5" cat, 2.5" cat back with side exit)
electric fan
high output 4 core aluminum Ford radiator
Taylor spiro 8mm Wires
NGK Plugs
180 Robert Shaw thermo
all Mobile One Synth fluids
 






I have the Granatelli Mass Airflow Sensor 70MM and I am very happy with the responce and you will noticed the differece. However I live in miami and its very hot here, I have the FIPK filter and it sucks in very hot air due to the Headers. but three weeks ago it was 76 Degs out and I steped on the gas and WOW it felt like a 5.0. Only if I can get it to suck cold air.

If you get the MAS from a 5.0 it must be a flange so you can bolted on to the air box. Also get the SENSOR
Re-Calibration for proper emissions and performance. i have the sheet with specs from Granatelli.

91 Explorer Sport 4.0 V6 EFI
Bosch Platinum +4's
K&N FIPK for a 96 Explorer
BBK 66MM THROTTLEBODY
BORLA HEADERS
Flow master Series 40 AND 2 1/4 CUSTOM PIPES
Granatelli Mass Airflow Sensor 70MM
SUPERCHIP
Edelbrock shocks
255/70-R15 Viper LT’s With 3.73 Gears
180 JET THEMOSTAT
Pilot Pro-Truck Series PL-700B Fog Lights on the Smithblit bumper
UNI TRACKTION BARS
Wind Jammer
Lund Sunvisor
 






hey 91explorer sport, did that K&N FIPK for a 96 Explorer
just bolt right on or did you have to modify it to fit?
 












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