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TPLYNCH

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Your Mass Air Sensor may need to be cleaned. A dirty one will cause pinging in the engine. Could also cause check engine light. Another likely source of the light is your O2 sensor. Easiest way to find out is to have your codes run. You can do it yourself with a code scanner you can get at any autoparts store. Others here will be able to help you decipher the codes if needed.

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Jayson,
My check engine light has been coming on also, however it comes on after about 25 minutes and remains on. The last time it did this it was the oxygen sensor. That was about 44,000 mi ago at 87,000mi. I now have 131,000 on my 91, and my code reader indicates it is the O2 sensor again. I read here that the problem may also be the fuel pressure regulator, or a dirty mass airflow sensor. I have cleaned the MAS, and I am going to replace the O2 sensor this weekend. I'll let you know if anything helps. Oh by the way, the code reader was $30 at Auto Zone.

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Walmart sells the same code reader for $25 Dead Link Removed.

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Ira
91 XLT 4x4

Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
 






how much are new 02 sensors, i think i need to replace mine.

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SCOTTC
93XLT 4X4 4DR.
bosch plat.4s
jacob wires
k&n kit
mod. airbox.
skid plate
maxflow exhaust
more to come!;)
 






My check engine light came on about a week ago and now comes on and off during driving on the freeway. What does this usually mean? I just had the vehicle inspected and the Explorer ('93 XLT with 136k) and the mechanics said it's in the best condition they had ever seen with the amount of miles I have on it.

Also, there's knocking sound coming from the driver's side engine compartment area. The knocking is only evident under acceleration going up hill. Is this normal? Could it be related to the "check engine light?"

Thanks for any help!
Jayson
 






Mr. Mike

I'd really like to hear what happens when you replace your O2 sensor. I looked them up at Wrenchhead.com and saw that for our Ford Explorers (91-94) they range from $57 to 109.97. I'm going to wait on purchasing mine until you can send me some gouge on whether or not R&R the O2 sensor worked for you.

Take care,
Jayson
San Diego, CA

Originally posted by Mr.Mike:
Jayson,
My check engine light has been coming on also, however it comes on after about 25 minutes and remains on. The last time it did this it was the oxygen sensor. That was about 44,000 mi ago at 87,000mi. I now have 131,000 on my 91, and my code reader indicates it is the O2 sensor again. I read here that the problem may also be the fuel pressure regulator, or a dirty mass airflow sensor. I have cleaned the MAS, and I am going to replace the O2 sensor this weekend. I'll let you know if anything helps. Oh by the way, the code reader was $30 at Auto Zone.
 






Jayson,

ExpressAutoParts.com has Bosch sensors for the 1993 Explorer for $41.50. I think the part number was 13187. Hope this helps.

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AgExplorer
95 XLT 4X2 4.0L OHV
AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants & Filters
NGK Platinum Plugs
Jacobs Electronics Wires

[This message has been edited by AgExplorer (edited 03-22-2000).]
 






You can get O2 sensors from AutoZone for $38.99 for Bosch or around $58 from Ford. I have just replaced 3 in the last 2 months on mine. I know you are wondering how. The first one I replaced was bad. I know this because as soon as I put it in and drove it, 10 minutes later, the light came on again. I made a test harness and plugged it into the O2 harness and found I was not getting a changing signal like I should. I took it back and replaced it. The light came on once with the second new one and that was the first day. I later checked it and it was giving the voltages that it should. About 2 weeks ago, the light started coming on again but not everyday. I got mad because I figured I had another defective sensor so I took it back to AutoZone and they refunded my money. I told them I had better things to do than keep climbing under there and changing sensors out. I went to Ford and bought one from them. About 2 days later, the light came on again. Did I mention that I had checked the codes before and had one for a bad O2 sensor at first? After I changed it, I never got that code again. It was just saying the mixture was too rich or too lean.

A couple of weeks ago, while sitting at the drive-up at my bank, I noticed the engine would surge at idle. It would go up 200-300 RPM and then back down. It did this continuously until today. I got my fuel pressure gauge out and checked my pressure again, like I have a couple of times since the O2 deal was going on. It is supposed to read around 30-45 at idle. It was reading 38 just like it has been before. Suddenly, it jumped up to 70 and fluctuated and never dropped back down. Before doing this, I disconnected the vacuum line from the fuel pressure regulator and had NO fuel coming out of it since I suspected it was letting fuel dump back into the engine thru this line. I thought it was OK because it was dry. When I saw the pressure jump, I replaced it. Now I have more power and engine is idleing smoothly, even at 170K miles. When I restarted it after replacing the FPR, I floored it once and covered the ground with carbon that blew out of the tailpipe.

Moral of the story...just because it may test to be good, it may not be. I was just lucky to get it to finally surge while I had the meter on it. Since the early models do not have a engine code specifically for the FPR, like mine, the O2 sensor is many times the code you will get. Another thing to consider is that when the FPR does go bad and stick like mine did, over a short period of time, the O2 sensor can in a sense be "fouled out" by the carbon from the excess fuel being burned and cause it to read as being bad. That is what I think happened.

If you pull your O2 sensor out and the end is very black, do yourself a favor and replace the FPR first before replacing the O2 sensor. If the FPR was at fault, after replacing it the exhaust may possibly get hot enough to burn the carbon off the O2 sensor and it will start working.

Been there...done that.

BTW, my check engine light would not come on until after driving for 10-15 minutes at least. I think what happened at AutoZone was that I did in fact have a defective O2 sensor at first and the second one went out because of the FPR.
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Ira
91 XLT 4x4

Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.

[This message has been edited by Ira (edited 03-22-2000).]
 






Ira,

Thanks for your reply! That must have been so frustrating. I will copy your suggestions and pass them onto my mechanic. I don't do my own maintenance except change an occasional tire. Atleast I know what general areas to have the mechanic check.

Mass Air Sensor (cleanliness)
O2 sensor (carbon build-up)
FPR (sticking & going bad)

I have also noticed poor gas mileage. I just filled it up on Sunday and my wife, who drives 20 miles to work one-way, had to fill it up on Wednesday.

Thank you again,
Jayson
 






Ira,

Would the FPR cause the pinging sound while going uphill at freeway speeds (75mph California style).


Moral of the story...just because it may test to be good, it may not be. I was just lucky to get it to finally surge while I had the meter on it. Since the early models do not have a engine code specifically for the FPR, like mine, the O2 sensor is many times the code you will get. Another thing to consider is that when the FPR does go bad and stick like mine did, over a short period of time, the O2 sensor can in a sense be "fouled out" by the carbon from the excess fuel being burned and cause it to read as being bad. That is what I think happened.

If you pull your O2 sensor out and the end is very black, do yourself a favor and replace the FPR first before replacing the O2 sensor. If the FPR was at fault, after replacing it the exhaust may possibly get hot enough to burn the carbon off the O2 sensor and it will start working.
 






Jayson,
I would not think the FPR would cause pinging, but there is a possibility that if it was leaking for a good while, it has built up a good amount of carbon in the engine. I would also have him to clean the MAF because that is the most common cause of pinging.

Navajo Joe,
I along with 1997 other members (at the present time) am good at keeping a secret. I would love to know the name or part number of the solution you are talking about. I would like to try it too. Please tell us. I promise I won't tell anyone else (without them asking...lol).
As for your ticking when it is cold, what kind of oil filter do you use? Hopefully it is not orange and says Fram on the side of it. If it is, that would explain the ticking at start-up.

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Ira
91 XLT 4x4

Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
 






I would also concider doing a carbon flush if you haven't had one done yet. The 4.0 engines have a tendancy to have bad carbon build up in the combustion chanber. The dealership wanted about $100 to do it but I talked to the parts counter and they sold me the product service uses for $5.17. It is really easy to do, but I suggest doing it in a well ventilated area where there isn't alot of people, because the cloud of stinky black smoke you will produce is a little unnerving to most. The can says to leave it in for 15 minutes but the service tech at Ford said they leave it in over night. I tried the first time after 1 1/2 hours and it helped so I did it again the next day over night and what a differance. The engine runs smoother and quieter. I used to have a problem with useing the ACCEL on cruz, it used to surg and want to shift in and out of OD. But now smooth as silk. I still have a little ticking when the engine is cold but after it warms up no more ticking. In another month I think I will try it again to see if I can get rid of the last bit of ticking. The easiest way to got it into the engine is to pull the vaccum line from your brake booster and let the engine suck it in, it says it will stall out the engine. Mine wouldn't so I just shut it off right away. I hope this helps some of you mine is running like a new engine. Dead Link Removed

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91 Navajo 4.0
Bosch Platinum plugs, K&N air filter, modified air box and Bilstien shocks.
 






I just got a call from the service center here on MCAS Miramar. They said that the code grabber they use on Fords didn't receive any codes from my Explorer that would indicate O2 replacement. They weren't able to receive anything and referred me to the dealer or some other shop with better troubleshooting equipment.

Any ideas as to if this could still be the O2 sensor?

Thanks for any help?
Jayson
 






After reading through all these posts I realized that I have these same symptoms (idle surge sometimes, low milage, power loss). I have cleaned my MAF and reset the computer but it has not helped any.
My check engine light is not on, and come to think about it, hasn't been in 35000 miles. But I know the bulb is not burned out since it lights up before you start the engine. Could their be any current codes in the computer and the light not working fo some reason? Thanks in advance.

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Brad Bottoms
92 XLT 4x4
My Philosophy is "Bigger is ALWAYS Better"
 






holy cow I wish I had caught this thread earlier - you guys may have just saved me a ton of time! Do you know what the Carbon flush stuff was called so I know what to ask for when I go to the dealer? Also how did you use it, just pour it in the gas tank or the engine or what? I was getting the same codes (engine running rich/running lean/running rich/running lean) so the fuel pressure regular was on the list of things to do anyways - now I'll just bump it up a bit on the list of things to do.

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Matt Adams
94 Explorer 4-door nick-named "Tippy"
http://bart.is-s.com/~explorers/explorer/explorer.html
 






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