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Hmm.....what damage could be done to a vehicle if you're vehicle isn't set up for Fuel Flex? I put that E-85 in my 95 ex today and it ran great up over the mountain and the exhaust was clear the motor ran as if it were normal gas.
 



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I am sure James could write a tune to run straight E85 in an explorer. Mixing becomes an issue though, and I don't think a tune could be made for that since our PCMs aren't designed to be able to adapt like that.
 






Hmm.....what damage could be done to a vehicle if you're vehicle isn't set up for Fuel Flex? I put that E-85 in my 95 ex today and it ran great up over the mountain and the exhaust was clear the motor ran as if it were normal gas.

E85 will make your engine run lean. I've heard what seemed like contradicting opinions on E85, some people claim their non-FFV vehicles run fine, others claim they have ruined their engines with it. The two people that I saw on TV were older guys who used E85 and said it ran fine. Older people generally don't accelerate quickly, so they may be able to run leaner without damaging their motors, and also might not notice a power loss. Someone with a lead foot may burn a piston or valve by running lean, especially in colder weather.

I'm definitely going to try running E85 this week. With my propane induction idea I think I can make it work.
 






E85 will make your engine run lean. I've heard what seemed like contradicting opinions on E85, some people claim their non-FFV vehicles run fine, others claim they have ruined their engines with it. The two people that I saw on TV were older guys who used E85 and said it ran fine. Older people generally don't accelerate quickly, so they may be able to run leaner without damaging their motors, and also might not notice a power loss. Someone with a lead foot may burn a piston or valve by running lean, especially in colder weather.

I'm definitely going to try running E85 this week. With my propane induction idea I think I can make it work.

Going to try E85 in your 94? I don't accelerate too quickly anymore since the high rise in gas prices, I honestly didn't notice any power loss. I was curious about the valves, my dad had said I should look into it because when leaded gas turned to unleaded he said vehicles that were suppose to run on leaded I think he said they'd burn valves up or something. Didn't in 99 or 00 there were explorers with the 4.0 that were suppose to be a FFV?
 






Hi there!
Has Anyone ever tested a kit on 1st generation Explorers? I own a '92 4.0L and hope converting mine... E85 is 40% cheaper in France and 4im planning a mod! What about a computer reprogramming?
 






Welcome, and the kit mentioned above was for altering the fuel injector signal, which could work for any fuel injected Ford.

The key right now is what is being used to make the ethanol. All of our food prices have gone up dramatically since the requirement to use corn for gas. The US Government has driven up all prices by forcing corn production to be used for ethanol. The shortage of corn created, now makes all products which use corn to go up in price. Think of all of those things, and most livestock eat corn for food.

We need a better source for the ethanol. Brazil uses 100% sugar cane to make their ethanol. Flex fuel vehicles there use no imported oil for fuel, they use either pure ethanol or the E85. Sugar cane is far more energy filled than corn, it takes far less sugar cane to make ethanol than it does corn. Our government has screwed up again, surprise surprise, and we pay the price of course.
 






Hi there!
Has Anyone ever tested a kit on 1st generation Explorers? I own a '92 4.0L and hope converting mine... E85 is 40% cheaper in France and 4im planning a mod! What about a computer reprogramming?

In one of my earlier posts in this thread, I linked to a forum called Planet E85. The site administrator over there "Dan M" has a '98 Explorer with a conversion kit on it. You could fire a few questions at him about it...He's very nice and helpful.
 






The key right now is what is being used to make the ethanol. All of our food prices have gone up dramatically since the requirement to use corn for gas. The US Government has driven up all prices by forcing corn production to be used for ethanol. The shortage of corn created, now makes all products which use corn to go up in price. Think of all of those things, and most livestock eat corn for food.

We need a better source for the ethanol. Brazil uses 100% sugar cane to make their ethanol. Flex fuel vehicles there use no imported oil for fuel, they use either pure ethanol or the E85. Sugar cane is far more energy filled than corn, it takes far less sugar cane to make ethanol than it does corn. Our government has screwed up again, surprise surprise, and we pay the price of course.
I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about the price of corn causing the huge increases in our food prices. First off, there is no shortage of corn. Whoever said that is dead wrong. The increased price of corn has caused corn-based foods and other foods such as beef (assuming they're being fed corn) a miniscule 4%. The other thing people don't realize is only the starch from the corn is actually used to produce ethanol...The dried distiller's grain can be sold back to the farmers to use as a high-protien cattle feed, so the corn really isn't being taken away from the cattle, only the starch (carbohydrate), which isn't really necessary for healthy herds anyways, and mostly becomes manure. Think of the ethanol industry creating an Atkins Diet for animals! Cattle do not eat 100% corn either...It's just there as a supplement. Most cattle live on a diet of mainly grass and hay if they're allowed to graze. Farmers that keep their cattle in the stanctions from the time they calf to the time they die aren't what I'd consider real humane people, but they do exist. Those cows get a diet of hay and processed feed, which again is primarly alfalfa and other plant stock with some corn and crude protiens thrown in.
The real problem is the increased transportation costs, farming costs, etc. due to the high price of diesel fuel and other petroleum-derived chemicals such as fertilizer, etc.
Stop over at Planet E85 and browse thru some of the discussions there on the subject, and you'll find lots of factual information and statistics regarding the whole food vs. fuel debate.

The ethanol industry is working on other sources than just corn too...It's at the forefront of their agenda. Here in WI, they're looking at waste cheese whey to convert to ethanol, Coors brewery in Colorado is using waste beer, and cellulosic ethanol made from switchgrass and other biomass is becoming a reality with several ethanol producers right now.

In Brazil, they don't have E85...Their alcohol fuel is 100% hydrous ethanol. Or, basically unrefined moonshine. You can buy hydrous ethanol here in any liquor store under the brand name Everclear. There's still some water content in it. It's 190 proof. Their warm climate allows this fuel to work well, but here, cold start issues are the reason for the added 15% gasoline. Our ethanol is also anhydrous. All the water is refined out of it, and then 2% gasoline is added as a denaturant. If this was not done, it would be considered transportation of liquor.
Even in Brazil's regular gasoline, 28% hydrous ethanol is blended with it, and it works just fine even in older carbureted and non-FFV cars.
 






I appreciate the enlightenment Mike, there is a lot of distorted information everywhere. From what I heard of Brazil is that they have two fuels besides a basic gasoline. Those two were the main focus of the stories I have seen. One is pure ethanol yes, but the other is a mixture like our E85. The reason given was that not all vehicles are available to run on the pure ethanol fuel. The flex fuel vehicles that are labeled as E85 compatible, those run on their mixed ethanol. The point was that basically every vehicle sold in Brazil can run on one of their two primary fuels. They are clearly going to stop making gasoline available at some point, and they are within reach of that point.

We here have vast areas with no fuel choice except gasoline. That can't change over night, or in a year or two. This whole topic of alternative fuels is great, but I liked Brazil as an excellent example of may happen. We could do it faster no doubt, but we have to begin, and still know that oil is required for years to come.

The government should not have mandated any corn requirement for fuel. That was dumb, as usual, and did have a negative impact on prices. The best answer would have been to give significant incentives for selling a source of fuel to refineries. Say a subsidy like food subsidies, for sugar cane sales to refineries. That would have been productive, without harming any corn usage or costs. Regards,
 






Aldive has played with a MAF enhancer that leans the mixture for better fuel economy. What about a unit that work opposite, to richen the mixture for use with E85 or any blend below? Aldive, do you know if the enhancer increases resistance or voltage and corresponding air:fuel mixture/voltage ratio? Seams to me it would be easy to add such a variable unit.
 






Alternatively, can we adjust fuel pressure up 20% without damage the the rail/injectors? Does the computer monitor this to cause a fault? Just a thought..
 






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