Do we have a new leader in oil filters now?

[old mechanic]

Well after talking to my buddie about using Fram oil filters he asked me to go with him to Wally World so he could "teach" me all about Fram filters and a new brand too.
GEEZ! "5" yes FIVE different Fram oil filters from $3.59? up to $9.95? I wonder which one tested bad?
Now he tells me he stopped using Fram because at $3.59 they were too high priced and shows me the brand he has been using>>> WALMART BRAND OIL FILTERS. Checking out at a whooping $2.07 each! From what I can remember it said something to the effect that it FILTERS BETTER than the leading brand.
Do we have a new leader in oil filters now?

 

[02_ex_on_dubs]

are you serious?, the reason its so cheap it beacuse its prolly lower quality=doesnt work so good, you should go ahead and buy yourself one and save $1.52 and see if it works better than fram...

 

[old mechanic]

are you serious?, the reason its so cheap it beacuse its prolly lower quality=doesnt work so good, you should go ahead and buy yourself one and save $1.52 and see if it works better than fram...

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Ahhh, read my post again. I DID NOT say I was going to buy one or use one OR anyone should buy one And I did not say it was better, I said it CLAIMS to be better.

 

[gsx220]

i like pureone filters and mobile 1 filters

 

[l1k2gadd]

You could bring me a truckload of New Unused Fram oil filters and I'd haul every one of them to the landfill. In the early 1980s I put a PH8A Fram oil filter on car I owned and the oil pressure DROPPED for the whole time it was on there. I went back to a Motorcraft FL1A and the oil pressure came back up. Never again! Air filters is one thing, but oil filters, never again. When I owned a 1969 "Bowtie" I used AC oil filters on it.

 

[Blee1099]

I've always gone with Motorcraft. I've thought about buying a oil filter labeled for Wally world and cutting the casing off to see what it looks like on the inside.

 

[old mechanic]

You could bring me a truckload of New Unused Fram oil filters and I'd haul every one of them to the landfill. In the early 1980s I put a PH8A Fram oil filter on car I owned and the oil pressure DROPPED for the whole time it was on there. I went back to a Motorcraft FL1A and the oil pressure came back up. Never again! Air filters is one thing, but oil filters, never again. When I owned a 1969 "Bowtie" I used AC oil filters on it.

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I'll take them all. I'll sell them for 1/2 price to the 72 MILLION people that bought Fram oil filters last year.
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Ahh! The old PH8A. It seemed to fit about all of the Fords back then.

 

[old mechanic]

I've always gone with Motorcraft. I've thought about buying a oil filter labeled for Wally world and cutting the casing off to see what it looks like on the inside.

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LOL! For $2.07 each I don't think you will find much in there. Maybe its a all new AIR oil filtering system?

 

[ma96782]

About those Wally World oil filters:

Their 'Super-Tech' oil filters are also very high quality, unfortunately much better than Fram. Fram has really gone downhill in the last several years, ever since 'Allied-Signal' bought them. At less than $3.00 apiece, the 'S-T' filters are a smokin' bargain.

Taken from this article:

http://www.boss302.com/oil.htm

BTW.....do you always believe what you read on the internet?

Aloha, Mark

PS.....Cheap doesn't always mean, "bad quality." Ask the American workers who used to make products that are now made in foreign countries......ooops......I mean ask the folks who bought, those imported TVs, VCRs, DVD players, Cars, etc......

 

[old mechanic]

About those Wally World oil filters:


Taken from this article:

http://www.boss302.com/oil.htm

BTW.....do you always believe what you read on the internet?

Aloha, Mark

PS.....Cheap doesn't always mean, "bad quality." Ask the American workers who used to make products that are now made in foreign countries......ooops......I mean ask the folks who bought, those imported TVs, VCRs, DVD players, Cars, etc......

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I lived near the original Fram plant where they made the filters and other products in Pawtucket R.I. and I caddied for the owner (or major stock holder) at our local golf club, I believe his name was Wilson or maybe Gately. Allied Signal bought them out or owned Fram years and years ago. Last week I was talking to a H.S. friend that worked there and I asked him if he still worked there. He said that that plant closed about 15? years ago.
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There are at least 5 different Fram oil filters on the market that I know of, which one are you refering to being the bad ones?
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If you were asking me if I believed everything I read on the internet my answer is YES! J/K Off course I don't. What made you bring that up?

 

[old mechanic]

About those Wally World oil filters:


Taken from this article:

http://www.boss302.com/oil.htm

BTW.....do you always believe what you read on the internet?

Aloha, Mark

PS.....Cheap doesn't always mean, "bad quality." Ask the American workers who used to make products that are now made in foreign countries......ooops......I mean ask the folks who bought, those imported TVs, VCRs, DVD players, Cars, etc......

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UT OH!!! Aldive will not like the guy on your link saying he does not like Amsoil.
BTW: I think I would believe AlDive over that article writer.

 

[ma96782]

I was talking in GENERAL..........

About the internet (authors). You KNOW....urban "internet" legends, and all.

And, the foreign made products. It's just that folks used to always say cheap equaled foreign made and "bad quality." Thinking that cheap is synonymous, with “bad quality.” Or, that American made is always superior to foreign made products.

Of course there are always EXCEPTIONS to everything.

That being said........I don't KNOW if FRAM makes their filters off shore. But, here is little something about (off shore) AC Delco filters:

The new filters were much lighter and generally less sturdy appearing, and didn't have the readily visible spot welds on the top.

Delco swears that the filtering ability of the "new" PF35Ls is just as good as the originals, but I don't think they're being entirely honest with us.

This all happened because Delco switched to an "offshore" plant for the filters. They are taking the product from this new source that comes the closest to the PF35L specs and labeling it as a PF35L. Caveat emptor.

Taken from this article: http://www.shoclub.com/lubrication-oil/lubrication-oilpart5.htm

Like I said I was speaking in GENERAL.

Aloha,Mark

PS......I admit it.......I use the Wally World oil and filters. They work. IMHO......it gets changed out every 3000 mile or so. I've had no problems so far. I feel it's more important to change at a regular interval, then to use a higher cost oil and/or filter that gets changed seldomly.

 

[old mechanic]

:mattmoon:

I was talking in GENERAL..........

About the internet (authors). You KNOW....urban "internet" legends, and all.

And, the foreign made products. It's just that folks used to always say cheap equaled foreign made and "bad quality." Thinking that cheap is synonymous, with “bad quality.” Or, that American made is always superior to foreign made products.

Of course there are always EXCEPTIONS to everything.

That being said........I don't KNOW if FRAM makes their filters off shore. But, here is little something about (off shore) AC Delco filters:

Taken from this article: http://www.shoclub.com/lubrication-oil/lubrication-oilpart5.htm

Like I said I was speaking in GENERAL.

Aloha,Mark

PS......I admit it.......I use the Wally World oil and filters. They work. IMHO......it gets changed out every 3000 mile or so. I've had no problems so far. I feel it's more important to change at a regular interval, then to use a higher cost oil and/or filter that gets changed seldomly.

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I don't blame you for using the Wally world filters. I always bought the cheapest I could find and never had a problem at all.
I DO NOT buy from WallyWorld any more since they went from selling only American made goods to almost ALL goods made in ^%$#@%&*
Want to sell almost all &^%$##%&* made products??? OK! Here ya go :mattmoon: Wally.

 

[ma96782]

Well, there are many reasons to dislike Wally World......among them their sometimes poor quality foreign products.

But, I hear that they are trying to lower the costs of Rx drugs.....experimenting w/ $4 generic drugs. They started in FL and have just announced an expansion for OR. Not to mention that sometimes their products are just plain cheaper........foreign or not. Living on a retirement income........well, I shop for a bargin.

Some folks have refused to have Wally World come into thier cities........among them Los Angels........hey, L.A. is %*#$ anyway......just goes to show you, their (L.A.) kind of thinking. Sometimes it starts in S.F. and sometimes in L.A., either way CA........$&^$*#.

Aloha, Mark

 

[stang99x]

For those of you who don't know, fram and pennzoil filters are identical. Neither one has any issues and work just as well as any other filter. There are only 4 major filter manufacturers who make them all for everyone, with different labels.

And Amsoil is crap :thumbdwn:

 

[rizzjc]

Not to argue, as I only know what I like to use, and have no idea what is really better, but I do use Amsoil filters, so am interested to know why they are crap. Expensive? Yes. Too expensive? Maybe. Everything I've ever seen (actually tests, and comparing construction) puts them in the top tier. The new filters have a synthetic media, which filters smaller particles, and won't break down like paper, so to me, that seems better. But I'm not oil, and I'm not a filter, so I really don't know.

 

[stang99x]

I'll tell you why. Becuase amsoils products are crap. Take for instance, amsoil will not stand behind its own product in a simplistic toyota 4 cylinder engine. They make astronomical claims as to what their snake oil can do, and when they started buying lexus and toyota engines they all of the sudden would no longer back their warranty on that particular motor. Well slap my azz and call me alice, the greatest oil in the world doesn't work on one of the most popular 90's car engines. The camry, early lexus, and corolla all had that engine. Camry is like the best selling sedan in america. So whats the problem? Amsoil blames toyota and a faulty engine design. Seems to me that a faulty engine would be in the best selling sedan. I have changed oil for years, and I have seen what happens when you do stupid things like go 7000, 10000, or more miles on oil, synthetic or not. I hate to see people get scammed to bbuy that crap, especially when most don't ever know that the majority of amsoil isn't API certified and will void their new vehicle warranty, or that amsoil requires you to follow your manufacturers guidelines as long as the vehicle is under warranty. Its pure and simple snake oil and gimmick product.

Thats why

 

[rizzjc]

They make astronomical claims as to what their snake oil can do, and when they started buying lexus and toyota engines they all of the sudden would no longer back their warranty on that particular motor.

That's interesting information. Do you have reference to that? I've never heard it before. I've put it in a Camry, and I put in in my Lexus, along with my Explorer. 140k miles and no problems with the engine. It might cost more than it is worth, but I only change my oil once a year.

 

[stang99x]

google it. I believe they call it a sludgemonster. Search for amsoil toyota claims and you'll find stories out the yin yang.

One other thing. If you do what your avatar looks like more than once a year, I should hope you'd know better than to not change the oil.

 

[rizzjc]

Well, to clear things up, I try NOT to sink my truck. And I *did* change all of the fluids after it happened, but thanks for the concern.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2002/04/04/toyota-sludge.htm
This seems like a cop-out to me. There is no definition of "too long" in anything they say. It would be easy for them to sit in a room, realize their engine runs too hot, and they put out an advisory that everyone should change their oil every 1k miles, so they don't have to fess up to a design flaw ... which they say they've fixed. An oil analysis would indicate the condition of the oil, and would tell anyone doing one when they need to change it. I do those to set my interval now, although I haven't always.

This is an interesting conversation though. It's good information for everyone to have. Then everyone can form their own opinion, as an informed consumer.