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Chem two class will start tomorrow at 8 A.M PST, we shall study the effect of flatulance ejected as a gas from ones rectal cavity with an ignition system, IE the common kitchen match.
The gas to be studied will be methane, pls prepare your notes as a test will follow
Best Regards, Prof Conehead
 



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HINT:
Do Ethnic foods contribute to explosives that can be made into WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION:)
 






Al,
Go buy a thermodynamics book ;)
 






Yo Alec
Got an authors name?
 












Alec is right.

Pure oxygen pretty much makes fuel instantaneously and fully combust when ignited. A leak of pure oxygen in all but the cleanest enviroments when exposed to an ignition source will cause a violent reaction.
 






Granted it probably "could have potential" The problem is if you don't increase your "second" or fuel part of the fire triangle you will run to lean. So, yes, good brainstorm. Bad idea logistically if you are looking for a quick cheap Hp boost
 






"Could" you add it if you did it before it went past the MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensor? Maybe. But you would still probably mess it up. Not to mention, if this compressed air came at the MAF sensor hard enough, it would probably just break it.
 






Has anyone here ever played paintball?

If you have, you may know where I'm going with this. There are readily available tanks, with regulators, commonly availible for purchase, that can hold over 5000(not a typo) psi. Refillable at any paintball store worth it's salt for very little money, maybe a couple of dollars. Just a thought.
 






Would you really want to spend that much money on an HPA tank that only holds 68 cubic inches-100 then figure out how to plumb it and add more fuel?
 






Toy_to_Force said:
So it wouldn't do the same for unleaded?

i dont know exactly how it works, i've never tried it. but a lot of people with turbocharged (gasoline) vehicles do this. check out the 3000GT/Stealth message boards and do a search for "propane injection"

i dont know what effect it would have on a N/A engine
 






Prices aren't too unresonable, and tank sizes range from 45-114 ci. But considering the pressureof the tank, and the pressure required for the forced injection, I think that small tank would go a long way.
 






If there was a cheap and/or easy way to use something other than N20, methanol, water, or propane it would be done already and many kits would be on the market as there are for those 4 substances.
 






a 4500 psi 68 cubic inch paintball tank costs around 400 dollars. ones made from steel are cheaper, but only hold 3000 psi.

CO2 tanks are cheaper, (by a few hundred dollars) but dont hold anywhere near as much pressure, or give out as much air.

and the reason i dont think a paintbal tank would work is, sure it is capable of giving out a huge amount of PSI (my gun runs at over 500PSI, and that is low. it is an autococker, for those of you that play) but i doubt that the tank holds enough volume to actually boost the power of an engine. an engine is drawing a huge amount of air in all the time, and i dont see any way of getting enough air out of the tank at once to give a power boost.

ive got a question too, however. since superchargers draw a large amount of power just to run, why not make one run on a large electric motor? even if you had to install a second alternator, it would draw at most 15HP, unlike the 65HP a supercharger draws. you would then have 12V, 160Amps to play with, which would be PLENTY to power a big arse electric motor easily capable of powering a supercharger, right?
 






The blower size is the problem. A blowe that would move enough air would be huge.
 






I can't remember where the pic is. But there is a picture of a toro leaf blower hooked to a 4.6 mustang. riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 






can't remember where the pic is. But there is a picture of a toro leaf blower hooked to a 4.6 mustang. riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

HA that pic is great. I have seen it a few times but dont have it anymore.

While I do respect wanting to come up with new ideas to add power I think you should stop trying to re invent the wheel. If what you wanted to do would work people would be doing it. All nitrous oxide is is exactly what you are trying to do. The nitrogen is mearly a great carrier for the O2. Now Co2 would be bad, you would actualy starve your engine of air.
 






1) you can hook up an electric leaf blower to you engine. It's like the ebay boat bilge pumps but works better. they suck a lot of power and are restrictive above about 4000 rpm. below that they give 1-2 lbs of boost.

2) there is a company making electric eaton roots type superchargers. their kits cost as much as a conventional kit, but seem to be well engineered and executed.

3) yes, a conventional supercharger is parasitic; but my Explorer hauled @ss!
 






Ok, thought I'd chime in here real quick. The answer to the initial question is yes and no. Hehe. You could put a big Air tank in the back of your X (or whatever) and pressurize your intake for a short time to similate having a Supercharger.

There are a few problems with this. Now, keep in mind, I'm not a Scientist by any stretch of the imagination, but myself and a friend attempted this exact thing to a 2001 Ranger Edge about 2 1/2 years ago.

First problem, pressurizing the intake. In order to Pressurize the intake, you need to setup the intake so that when you are pulling in compressed air (read, not pure o2), the regular intake is completely sealed and closed off. The reason for this? If you regulate 8 PSI into your intake just into the airbox or even directly into the air tube, you will blow just as much air out the intake as you do into the engine, if not more. During our testing of direct intake blowing without a close-off plate, we got a maximum of 2 PSI into the intake that was usable. We attempted to build a close-off plate using 2 Much Larger Throttle Bodies. The problem here was too much leakage from the air tank side. We concluded that we would have to rig up something on the tank or in the line from the tank itself to fully close-off the tank and prevent it from dumping all its contects before you want it to. But, there are ways around this, we were just messing around trying to see if we could make something and do it cheaper than an S/C.

The next problem you will have is air volume. Your average Air Tanks may be able to put out 125 PSI + through the hose, but the size of the hoses typically don't exceed 1/2". Since your intake is about 3", the effective pressure to your intake is going to be very low. When we were messing around, we had to use 4 individual tanks all pumping into one large line in the engine compartment.

Now, in our limited testing (we did all this over a weekend, just too see what would happen), the next problem we were running into was duration. We were using (4) 20 gallon tanks (what my friend had around the shop). All 4 were identical. With all (4) 20 gallon tanks pumped to max presure (whatever it was for those tanks, I can't remember anymore, its been too long) The pressure inside of them lasted for all of about 2 or 3 seconds before dying out. Of course, you could get more time out of it by using an even bigger tank, or possibly getting some super high pressured tank, but I have a strong feeling that you will be lucky to get about 8 seconds of usable boost before the tank would more or less be empty.

If I think back, I'm sure there were some other problems, but just read the above and think it over. I will not say at all that it is not possible to do this. As a matter of fact I think it is very possible and plausible to do it. My only warning is that you will probably spend a lot of time and a lot money on something that in the end will not be any cheaper or better than just getting NOs or a Supercharger.

Good luck to you though, I would love to be able to see someone make a good functioning system like this. My dad tried it about 20 years ago, and I tried it about 2. We both gave up because the power gained from it wasn't worth the time money and effort in our opinions, but that shouldn't ever discourage anyone from trying. Without people doing things that others said were impossible, we wouldn't be where we are today.
 



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