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Tony91Sport

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I was wondering if you guys could leave me some opinions on which oil and filter to use. I was running valvoline 10w-30 and the K&N oil filter and it seemed to work fine. When i get my car back (the engine is getting remanufactured) Dead Link Removed i want to run the best. The guy at Advance Auto Parts told me "The most expensive is not always the best. I would use the PureOne by Purolator." Dead Link Removed I am planning to also use Castrol Syntec 5w-50. My car is 2wd and sticks to the street. I would love to hear from expeirence. Thanks guys

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Last year, I read the archives of the Explorer Usenet group, as well as the previous discussions here, and the most frequently recommended oil is Mobil 1 Synthetic and Mobil filter. There is an extensive "study" of filters floating around also, complete with photos of disassembled filters. I can't locate the URL right now, but maybe someone else has it handy.

(I use Mobil 1 Synthetic 15W30 and Mobil filter and change @ 5000 mile intervals.)



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Guy A.
Ripley, TN
 






I have used synthetic in my 91 xlt (160,000 km) since the break-in period. I have used either mobile 5W-30 and at times Castrol 5W-50. As for filters I have used Fram, even though they weren't the top ones listed in that filter study (I too can't remember the site). So far I can not make any complaints about either of the 2. I would recommend using the synthetic oil. Just my 26 cents on the matter. And just because it's synthetic, you still have to change it on a regular basis. You pay more for the synthetic oil, but you have to look at it as preventative maintenance.


Syder-1

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doo doo happens
 






doesnt purolator and advanced auto parts have some kind of business connection? i think i remember a commercial or something or purolator that had advanced auto parts featured. it would definately suck if the guy that advised you to get the pureone to meet some kind of minimum sales. just an idea.
 






hay im using 10w30 val and a wix filter thats all i'll use on my truck or any other truck i will ever have. work at an auto parts store no what the best is and that is it


well thats my 2 cents
 






hay im using 10w30 val and a wix filter thats all i'll use on my truck or any other truck i will ever have. work at an auto parts store no what the best is and that is it


well thats my 2 cents
 






I have a 91 XLT I bought new in July of 91 and to date it has over 215,000 miles on it. Still runs good. I have religiosly changed the oil and filter at 3000 mile intervals and have used nothing but Castrol GTX 10W-30 and Fram filters. Seems to work for me.

I think the key to longevity is changing the oil frequently and regularly, and sticking with the same brand, whatever it is. If the oil doesn't have a chance to get overly contaminated, it will provide the protection it was designed to.

Personally, I've never used the synthetic oils, not that I have anything against them. I know they provide less friction than the standard oils, but I guess old habits die hard. And there is definitely the cost factor. I've changed my oil over 70 times, which amounts to about $2000. I havn't priced the synthetics lately, but I would imagine they are double or triple what standard oils cost (I'm assuming). But then again, the best oil that anyone can use is the one they are satisfied with and can afford. The main thing with any lubricant is to keep it clean and fresh.

It's just like Ford vs. Chevy. Some people have a loyalty one way or another, which usually means that they go with what they know. Same thing with oil and filters.

DOGMAN
 






Just to give my opinion. I have read and heard about using synthetic oil in a new engine not to be good becuase the synthetic is supposed to protect so much better than the regular stuff that the new engine will not break in properly. I personlly use Castrol 10w-30 and a new oil filter from fram every 3000 miles on the dot. If you change the oil often enough there is really no reason to go synthetic.
 






Here's the oilfilter study link. www.minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html
As far as oil goes I always used havoline 10w-30, but decided to try Mobil1 synthetic, i changed my oil twice every 4k and now my intake manifold gasket has a leak. It may have leaked with conventional but then again it may not have. At a price of 4 bucks a quart and a new leak. I'm not sold on synthetic motor oil. synthetic tranny and axle fluids YES, motor oil NO.

Dan

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Here's my extry peso, for what it's worth.

All of the previous posts are valid. Dan, I'd be careful on making an opinion on your one experience; as you said, it could have happened anyway with non-syns. And with tranny and axle fluids, the synthetic concept either works or it doesn't and it's no different for the rest of the moving metal parts wearing in the engine.

I'm like you; had great results with non-syns, but I am willing to defer to the "new oil age" if all of these great advantages keep proving themselves while using synthetics. I'm getting another mile+ mpg with synthetics in my Explorer. That's telling me there is less friction going on somewhere under the hood which means less wear and also less excursions with a wrench to fix them when this powerplant starts racking up the hours/miles on my vehicle. Time will tell. I'm an "old phart" now and I have more patience to wait and figure this out. I have confidence that none of us will really be losers in the end anyway. I would never trade these piddling arrow-splitting issues to the times when we really HAD to change oil that frequently, adjust the points and condensor, and were happy to get over "65k miles" from our vehicle (which amazingly seems to be the exact same mileage that all older/classic cars have here when offered for sale).

OK, back to the subject. Don't start your new engine with synthetic, but if you can afford the extra cost of the "insurance" it provides, use it after break-in at 10k mi or so.

Stick with high quality.

I have always changed my oil religiously at 4,000 (not 3,000) miles. I used a high quality oil, always Castrol GTX or Pennzoil, nothing else. I tore down my air-cooled Kawaksaki 1000 motorcycle at 80,000 miles and there was no evidence of any excess wear except a little blow-by fingerprint on the cylinder walls which I could contribute to a one-day thousand mile ride that included 85 mph driving through Arizona when the temperature under the shade was over 120+. My old Honda CRX auto is parked out back now but still runs strong and doesn't burn oil at way over a quarter million miles. Neither of these vehicles ever tasted synthetic oil and the non-synthetic quality we get now is even better.

I now use Mobil One or Castrol synthetic in my Explorer and change every 5,000 mi instead of 4, so I "recoup" a little of the added cost.

Now about that oil filter. I too wish I could find that link again. It was a great study on filters that some guy did and it changed what I use. I had what I would describe as a lifter tick on my new '99 SOHC at startup and worried about if the timing chain tensioner problem applied to me. Then I read that link describing how the ubiquitous orange Fram oil filter that everyone uses has an internal valve failure in its ability to hold oil up in the engine and lets it pass through the filter down to the pan on shutdown. Thus a symptom is a tick immediately at startup until new oil gets back up into the engine. I crawled under my Explorer and dang if I hadn't taken all the trouble to put in $5/qt synthetic oil and then stuck one of those cheapo orange filters on my SUV. The next weekend I switched filters to a better Castrol Plus something-or-other $5 filter and my tick immediately went away. Now I don't worry about a major timing chain tensioner problem (yet).

Brandon, while you may be right to question to motives of the report you got, the fact remains that the other study still rated the Purolator filter more highly. Who knows, I'm not saying that other report doesn't have an agenda we don't know about yet, but at least it's a second opinion.

Just food for thought. The filter makes a difference too. Don't pay all that attention to your oil and forget the filter. The same study said nothing beats the Mobil One filter: it is the best. Maybe it really is worth $10. I'm thinking of using it next time and changing it every other oil change.

Tony, one other thing. There was another great link to oils that I think we lost when the "Modified Explorations" forum blew up. I can't remember the exact justification for the resulting opinion, but it discusses the extreme weight range available in synthetics such as the 5w-50 you mentioned. With non-synthetics, it just isn't possible to get that extreme of a range in temperature-oil weight ability.

I can't support what I am about to say (hopefully someone can lead us to the link again) but here goes. First, you're getting back a newly rebuilt engine that doesn't need 50w oil: 5w-30 is recommended by Ford and unless your rebuild shop screws up your engine, why put 50w in it? That's for air-cooled engines with large variances in cylinder wall tolerances / clearances through different operating environments (or sick auto engines that burn oil).

Secondly, that article discussed the chemical characteristics of the amount of polymers formulated into the synthetic blend that is required to acheive that large level of universal weight range and determined that was enough of an excess to actually degrade the protective abilities of the oil. In other words, when you see an oil with a weight range like 5w-50 it has so many polymer chains in it too acheive that rating that the other lubricative properties are actually hampered.

Someone help me here if they can remember or explain this. I'm no expert, but I remember after reading that study I'd never buy 5w-50...


PART TWO/ post cont'

Tony,

Well, now I finished preaching, so here's my SPECIFIC answer to your ORIGINAL QUESTION and I defy anyone to beat it! You asked directly what is the best to do. Here's what you need to do:

You are getting back a new rebuilt engine. Do NOT put any synthetic (or synthetic blend either) for the first approx. 10k miles. You mentioned Castrol so you must be a Castrol fan; that's fine since they have great oils.

1) Burn Castrol GTX non-synthetic for two or three oil changes at 3-4k miles each. Use the 5w-30 (or 10w-30) recommmended by Ford unless you have extreme reasons to change it because you have different habits from all of the rest of the thousands of us driving Explorers.

2) Purolator PureOne is their upgrade oil filter and will work fine. Don't buy a cheapo.

3) Afterwards use Castrol's synthetic (or Mobil One) for the next quarter-million miles. You can change it every 5k miles instead of 3k to recoup some of the cost and still get all of the life out of your engine: that's part of why synthetics are supposed to be better.

4) Don't buy the cheapo filter. And it shouldn't cost that more. Unless anyone can argue with me with real data, I'll bet my ex-wife that you can drop the big bucks on a $10 Mobile One (there-ain't-no-better-filter-made type) and just change it every other oil change to help mitigate the cost of it and still drive an Explorer engine into mileage that requires a new digit capacity on your calculator.

There you go. End of discussion. Dead Link Removed



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Gerald
'99 EB 4x4
K&N / Drilled Airbox
Torsion Twist / Shackle Lift
Zaino, Wood Dash, CB, and Millenium Jack Antenna Ball Dead Link Removed
 






Let me share long experience with M-1. I have used it in everythihg from a 74 Mercury Comet to my wife's 98 Buick. That includes two middle 80s Escorts, a 94 Sable and my 92 Explorer. When this oil was first marketed it was claimed that you could go 100,000 miles between changes. I don't do that, but I do change only the filter (usually FOMOCO) at 3,000 mile intervals, replacing a quart or less to top off, and do a major drain and full refill at 25,000. The Sable, for instance, went over 120,000 miles in 3.5 years on this schedule, the Comet had over 150,000, the 86 Escort did well over 110,000 and the Explorer is at 120,000 now. We live in the mountains, tempertures range from as low as 35 below to 98 above. I use my Explorer responding to recue squad calls as well as daily driving and long distance business trips. I've never burned a quart of oil in any of these cars, i've never had cooling problems (my engines run cool if anything) and winter or summer, starting is easy and quiet. I also have been running the same oil in my standby generator, and my garden tracrtor I use to push snow. One other story: A friend of mine used it in his motorcycle engine. The engine had a sight-glass to check level. He called one night in a panic because the glass wouldn't clear. I told him to wait a few hours. The oil is so sticky it takes a while to ooze down. He did, it did, and he still is running the syntheetic.

For the record, I don't work for any auto related business, or own stock in any oil company.
 






Let me get this straight..... Dead Link Removed

You only change the filter at regular intervals. You wait TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND MILES to do a full oil change; almost treating it long-range like someone would transmission fluid. And you are getting great performance/results from it.

THAT OUGHTTA GET THIS THREAD HUMMING!

Are syns really that good? Could be..... what about that purple stuff (forgot the name) that recommends waiting at least 10k miles to change and all their users say it works great.

I want to understand your reasoning. Is it that synthetics do not break down during use, so all you have to do is change the filter to remove the impurities the oil picks up, and then just continue to use the same oil? Is that it?

And now that you mention it, yeah, I do remember their 100,000 mile oil change claim years ago. Guess they figured they'd never sell any oil if people really tried that-- so they dropped that claim quick, huh?



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Good Day From Down Under {96xlt shoc}
Just my 2cents worth of imformation , i have used mobil one 5w50 in the outback and i have found that the motor has a bottom end rattle after a long run 48c degree heat .
I then switched to penrite hpr 15w60 no more ratttle so ive been using it with the ford oil filter for over 50000km and change both evey 5000km .
I once when back to mobil one but the rattle came back when hot .

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OK here is my 2 cents.
I have read that a synthetic oil will find a leak if there is one that was not leaking with non-synthetic oils. Has anyone experienced this?

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Exploring CA
98 XLT 4X4 4.0L SOHC
 






I just recently switched to synthetic (Mobil 1) and I am sold on it. The diffrence it made is amazing, it is now in all my vehicles with the same result. I have a Mazda MX6 2.2L Turbo with 130,000 miles and it runs better now then it ever has. With the extra lubrication the turbo winds up a lot quicker and no longer squeals at high RPM's.

One other note, I noticed that Autozone has the new Bosch synthetic media filters (like the Mobil 1) for approx. $4. I decided to give them a try and they seem to be working well. It keeps the price down a little. I know a local mechanic who liked these filters so much that he went and bought about 5 cases of them for his personal vehicles, I guess they cant be that bad......
 






Oh, by the way, none of my vehicles have developed any new leaks as a result of the thinner synthetic. The Mazda was running 20W-50 conventional and I switched it to 10W-30 synthetic. No leaks...
 






Tony-I've been running some form of synthethic since the break-in period when I purchased the Explorer back in August of '90. I either had Mobil 1 15w-50w or Castrol Syntec 5w-50w. I currently have about 145K on the original motor and trans. The only down side is that I always thought that Fram filters were the best and had been using them on my Explorer until I read the post. I switched over to AC Delco filters since. But I think the main message seems to be that no matter what you use, regular changes are a must. Both oil and filter are doing the job of cleaning your engine of foreign bodies which leads to wear and breakdown. Use what you feel comfortable with and maintain it at its required schedule and I think you'll do fine. Hope this helps.
 






My 2 cents: with some trepidation because of rumors about leaks caused by changing to synthetic, I switched to M1 5W30 with M1 filter at 97,000 miles. 10,000 miles and 2 changes later, the engine is still dry as a bone and has burned NO oil! I can't report any improvement in fuel consumption attributable solely to the oil because at the same time I also installed a K&N Filtercharger and Vortech muffler. All three mods produced 2.5 mpg average gain. Dead Link Removed



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Guy A.
Ripley, TN
 






I was at a Toyota Dealership the other day and noticed that they have a device that drains the old oil and cleans out old oil deposits from inside the engine. They recommend doing this every 10K. Is this a necessity? Has anyone tried this?
 



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Yo goon. Sounds like an engine flush. I've read about it a little on this site. Stephen the Lexus guy seemed to know quite a bit about it. Try the search feature for engine flushing or motor flushing. I think it will come up.
 






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