Improvement on stock enclosure.

[97sprt4x4]

recently picked up a stock sub housing out of a i think 98 at the junkyard. (found this to be a big toy store haha) My eventual plan is to get rid of the giant box with the two twelves i have sitting in the truck because the take up way to much space for my liking. i try and have a useful truck as well. my plan was to take the stock enclosure and put mounting rings on it to space out enough to fit a 1000w rms 10 inch sub. how hard will this be to accomplish and should i not use the stock enclosure as a base to fglass off of.

Thanks,
Justin

 

[97sprt4x4]

Bump Anyone?


Edit if it helps....

I'm hoping for 1000w rms, and the mounting depth is why i'd have to fiberglass the box out.
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_18024_SPL+SP3-10.html

This is the amp i'll be getting.
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_10036_MTX+Audio+XThunder+1000XD.html

 

[aznboi3644]

that sub is overrated crap...it will blow with 500 REAL watts.

SPL is a very low quality overrated crap brand.

If you want a real sub that will handle 1000 watts its going to cost a lot more than that.

Also I can design you a small enclosure for a couple 8" that will sound good.

I don't know how strong the stock enclosure is to handle 1000 watts and a beefy sub...its too light

 

[97sprt4x4]

How much $$ are we talking... i need to buy an amp and everything as well cus my amp blew out both channels this summer. and i need some kinda space saving set up


Thanks
Justin

Edit: that amp is discontinued... i'm assuming mtx will be coming out with This

 

[Anime]

The stock enclosure isn't too bad for throwing in an aftermarket 8", or maybe even modding to fit a 10", but you're going to want a larger enclosure that makes use of what available real estate there is behind the panel if you're going to be cramming in a deep sub with a big magnet to handle some power.

Fiberglass is nice, and if you can get a good price on a few gallons of it, and the necessary materials, you can have a really nice custom enclosure that fits behind the panel like a glove.

On the other hand, 3/4" MDF is somewhat less expensive for a sheet, and you can build a box big enough to fit behind the panel with it, seal it up, and have something that didn't cost you a ton and is plenty stiff enough.

Depends which way you wanna go.

Keep in mind, though, just throwing in some 1000W sub and sticking on a 1000W amp to it doesn't mean it's going to hit. You're better off doing your homework on enclosures, subs, and amps, and making a system that works with the airspace you'll have.

It is very possible to get slammin' bass out of a semi-compact enclosure and a single 10" or 12". It'll probably be a few dB off two 12's in a box that takes up the whole cargo area, but the tradeoff is worth it if you want your cargo area back.

 

[97sprt4x4]

This is what i have currently
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_16327_Sony+XS-L120B5D.html

and it was being powered (bridged) by this until it fried.
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_18940_Sony+Xplod+XM-GTR2022.html

Current Head unit
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_9835_Dual+XDVD8183.html

and These are my current speakers
(Fronts) http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_11133_Pioneer+TS-A6882R.html
(Rears) http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_11132_Pioneer+TS-A6872R.html

I know that if you want space and to save money i won't get what this box puts out now. i'm pretty sure this isn't a decent box anyway. but i'm just trying to get my bass back because it's very depressing going from having it to not. the speakers i have are nice.. but it's not the same without the sub in the back.

Ideally i'd want to take up half that much space or less in my trunk so i have a place to put my tool box or sleep if need be. but at the same time, I do want it to be loud if i turn it up. I listen to everything from Elton John to Little john and everything in between.

If someone can point me in the right direction that'd be great

Thanks,
Justin

 

[Anime]

Oh wow, a Sony Xplod box...

Well, the good news is you should be able to sell it fairly easily for dough towards your new setup, and your new setup could outdo that old box pretty well, too.

If you're not looking to spend a lot of money, but want big bass from whatever you can shove behind the panel so you have 100% of your cargo space back, I'd say either custom make a box out of MDF that fits the space requirements of a quality sub (JL is pretty good, but you might want to go with a Premier if cost if a consideration, you can get a nice sub for cheap).

You might also consider prefab enclosures like the JL Stealthbox. If you were pleased with the Xplod setup, you might be amazed by what a Stealthbox puts out. You can get it unloaded and put in a more expensive JL sub than what the loaded one comes with for even more boom. They're fairly expensive new, but they aren't too bad if you find someone selling theirs.

The stock enclosure IS an option, too. You might be surprised what a high quality 8" and a compact 200W amp will do. It probably won't vibrate the windows of the cars around you in traffic and set off car alarms like the boomy boxes, but it can give you lots of bass for the interior.


Also, putting an amp on your speakers (or getting a 5 channel amp to power the speakers & sub together) will probably give your system a boost as well. The Pioneer 6x8's work great with a head unit and put out decent bass by themselves, but if you're going to have a sub, crossing over the speakers at 80-100Hz lets them play louder at the frequences they reproduce best.

 

[97sprt4x4]

Okay well i have an empty stock box. so if i got something like say this?
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17589_Kicker+09S8C2+-S8C2-.html
along with this
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_11756_Crunch+P5000.5.html
I could have a decent system without compromising trunk space?

Or just this without getting a 5 channel?
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item...ectronix.com/item_11548_Kicker+08ZX300.1.html

 

[techieman33]

I have a Q-logic stealth box (heavy fiberglass enclosure) for sale, has an image dynamics IDQ-10v2 in it, a profile california 600M mono amp, and I could include all of the wiring to hook it all up.

Whatever you decide to do don't stick with the stock box, it sucks.

 

[toypaseo]

Whatever you decide to do don't stick with the stock box, it sucks.

Don't necessarily write off the OEM enclosure...
-Yes, it pry sucks.
-Yes, there are better enclosures.

but, the OEM one (at least the one I have), was cheap, easily modified, and made it easy to add bass on a budget. I am not going to win any DB competitions. I am not going to win any stereo competitions. I am not going to have earth pounding bass. It works, and adds bass. That was my goal.

I would not modify the OEM enclosure if I was looking for spectacular results.

Click on image for larger image.

 

[Anime]

The kicker sub/amp combo would probably work, BUT, the sub is made for 0.33 cu t., and the stock enclosure (on 95-01's) is slightly larger. The kicker sub is also incredibly inefficient, at just over 82 dB. $130 for the sub and $130 for the amp is kind of a lot of dough there, you can get a better setup for that money.

For a budget build with the stock enclosure, I'd suggest a sub like the 8" shallow Premiers or the new Kenwood eXcelons (around $99), or the 8" JBL GTO which is under $100. The Premier/eXcelons will give decent but not pounding bass, the JBL GTO's (which get my personal recommendation even though they are now made in China, the good ones were made in the USA until recently) have some good punch for a little sub IF you pair them with a 200W RMS @ 4 ohm amp.

If you won't be happy with just decent bass, you can save yourself the money in the long run and either get the 10" JL stealthbox or custom build your own, or have a shop build you something. You'll save money in the long run by not wasting it on a budget setup and being unhappy with it, then trying to get rid of everything and start over again.

The 10" Q-logic stealthbox is also an option, it's smaller than the JL stealthbox, but techieman's getting rid of stuff for pretty cheap so you may want to hop on that deal for some compact bass. You'll have to rely on his input as to how hard that enclosure/sub/amp combo hit in his ride.


As for the budget setups, a sealed enclosure is a sealed enclosure. Sure, the stock box may have some flex that something made out of 3/4 MDF doesn't, but the stock box is waterproof, not to mention lighter. Just about any sub that needs a 0.35 cu ft/ airspace and doesn't require a ton of power will probably work great in it. The limiting factor is more the subs that will fit in the enclosure than the enclosure itself.

 

[97sprt4x4]

I will be unable to buy techiman33's box so I'll be going with a 5 way kicker amp. looking into it the ten inch kicker sub that's exactly the same as the 8 posted above is 400 watts the only thing that is a problem is it needs a .8 cu ft box I have gathered from reading around on here that the stock box is .65 will this affect it in such a way that it would be not worth getting? The only reason I ask is it's 50-60 dollars cheaper then the 8 and there's that fiberglass packing stuff that apparently claims to make the sub think it's in a bigger box. Would this possibly work? Other then that it fits all the other criteria

Thanks ffor your help
Justin

P.s. I'm on my iPod so I apologize for grammar and spelling

 

[Anime]

I have my doubts about those Kicker subs fitting into the stock box.

The 8" is deep with the huge magnet as it is, the 10" will be even deeper.

If you want to use the kicker subs, my suggestion would be a custom box made from MDF that fits behind the side panel, or see if the 10" JL stealthbox is deep enough for the sub. You can probably get 0.8 cu fit pretty easy (or close enough and add some fiberfill), and still have enough space to mount the amp.

A 5-way amp sounds good, just be sure the RMS power for the speakers won't overpower them. Those Pioneers are only made to handle 40-50W RMS or something, an amp that puts out more than that will blow them. Same goes for the sub channel, be sure you don't have too little or too much power. Putting the recommended amount of power to the sub is one of the ways to get the most out of it.

 

[97sprt4x4]

the ten is definitally to big. I would have to extend the mount point out by two inches but the kicker amp puts 60 rms to the speakers at 4 ohms and 400 to the sub at 2 so I think I'm going to get the 8 and that should be enough to hear up I'm the front of my truck

Thanks for your help
Justin

 

[97sprt4x4]

I think i'm set now on what i have to get now my next question would be which of the two sub configurations would be better for this amp?
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_11535_Kicker+08ZX700.5.html

dual 2 ohm?
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17589_Kicker+09S8C2+-S8C2-.html

or dual 4 ohm?
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17590_Kicker+09S8C4+-S8C4-.html

The only reason i ask is because all the subs i have dealt with previously have been single not dual. so i'm not sure which one will get me the desired ohm load for that amp to work efficiently.

thanks,
justin

 

[Anime]

70 watts to each speaker with that amp is gonna blow them.

Your only option between those 2 subs with that amp is the dual 2 ohm, the dual 4 ohm can't be made to get 4 ohms from 2 4 ohm voice coils. You'll blow the 300W sub if you put 420W to it, so you can only wire the dual 2 ohm sub to be 4 ohms, putting 210W to it.


I don't think that kicker 5 way amp is the way to go unless you're going to get speakers with higher power handling. Underpowering the sub isn't going to take full advantage of it, either.

 

[97sprt4x4]

70 watts to each speaker with that amp is gonna blow them.

Your only option between those 2 subs with that amp is the dual 2 ohm, the dual 4 ohm can't be made to get 4 ohms from 2 4 ohm voice coils. You'll blow the 300W sub if you put 420W to it, so you can only wire the dual 2 ohm sub to be 4 ohms, putting 210W to it.


I don't think that kicker 5 way amp is the way to go unless you're going to get speakers with higher power handling. Underpowering the sub isn't going to take full advantage of it, either.

This is turning into a quite an issue.... Seems like i have to re think what i'm doing... may end up having to just run a sub for now. then get a second amp for the speakers.

 

[Anime]

You're on the right track, you're just still thinking of trying to stick a high power woofer in the dinky factory enclosure.

The only woofers that will fit in the factory enclosure without a ton of (probably worthless) modding are the shallow-depth kind. They do make 10's like this, but an 8" will be a lot easier. The Pioneer Premier 8" ($120-150), The Kenwood eXcelon 8" ($99), and the JBL GTO 8" ($80) all fit the bill here. You might have to space the JBL.

If you want more boom than bump, or you just gotta have slamming bass, you are going to have to get a better enclosure for a better sub, either the JL Stealthbox, MTX Thunderform, or something custom made.

Match the enclosure you get with a sub that has specs calling for the same amount of space the enclosure has. Throw on an amp that puts out the RMS wattage the sub specs call for. You're good to go and can pound the bass all day without worrying about blowing the sub or having something that sounds bad.