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intermitten sputter and occasional backfire on 00 V8

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My explorer has been running odd recently. I thought it was a gas problem because I had filled up at a place I normally don't. The truck will be running fine and then all of a sudden the power seems to surge and sometimes it will make a pop through the intake. Its not a normal loud backfire, just a pop. It has also done an odd shudder since I bought it when under a load, I don't think this problem is related but it is possible I assume. Also the ticking it makes while under load has recently gotten worse.

Is there anything I can look for to trouble shoot my problem or does anyone have any ideas what I might be experiencing?

I would appreciate any help I can get because I'm on a two week stretch of working out of town and staying out of town and working every day doesn't leave me with much time to take the truck to a shop.
 



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Any help guys? I have no one here to help me and I am afraid its going to just quit on me and leave me stranded and walking since i have no one to call for help.
 






I wouldn't worry much about the ticking under load problem. That is likely the either the manifold or the egr tube on the passenger side.
My truck had a serious ticking in time with the engine RPM's last year. The passenger side manifold had cracked. This year it developed a slight tick and I checked the manifold thoroughly, then went to an exhaust shop nearby, they diagnosed it as the EGR tube. Probably got weakened during last years manifold replacement.
To check your manifold, look for a soot stain where it should not be. (on the manifold, on the heat shield)

You may need new plugs/wires. Does it only pop/surge when wet? Other than that, I can't be very much help with this issue.

About the "shutter" you feel: Does it do that when shifting between second/third gear when your in the gas a good amount? I have been experiencing the same thing, but just back out of the gas until I feel it shift, then gently press down harder. Been doing that for three years now. (Change your transmission filter too)
 






Get the codes pulled if you can. Might wanna throw some seafoam in the tank, thatll help. What weight and kind of oil do you use? Last time plugs were replaced? Any arcing from the wires?
 






I had VERY similar issues after a road trip recently. Turned out to be a hooped wire no #3. Running good as gold again.
 






The problem seemed to develop after I had bought some gas at a local walmart. I normally don't buy anything but shell gas so maybe my explorer is just mad at me ha. I plan to start by getting the fuel filter changed. I'm sure the plugs and wires need to be changed but this seems like an odd thing to happen because of the plugs. I spoke with one shop about a month ago about changing the plugs but they weren't interested. They said they had bad luck with twisting the plugs off in the heads and they were already in a bad spot to get to(which I already knew otherwise I would have done it myself)

The check engine light never came on so the ford dealership says there probably wont be any codes to be read.

Thanks for the replies guys. Lets hope I make the 20 mile drive to the rental tonight, it seemed better on the way to work today *fingers crossed*
 






Also, the shudder normally happens when under load between a certain rpm range such as going up a steep hill at about 60-70mph in overdrive. It has done that since I purchased it, I figured it was a torque converter lockup problem but now this problem does the same shudder most generally so maybe the two problems are linked?
 






I'm sure the plugs and wires need to be changed but this seems like an odd thing to happen because of the plugs. I spoke with one shop about a month ago about changing the plugs but they weren't interested. They said they had bad luck with twisting the plugs off in the heads and they were already in a bad spot to get to(which I already knew otherwise I would have done it myself)

I don't know where to begin with the above statements. Firstly, misfires and bogging are usually related to fuel issues and ignition issues, so spark plugs and/or wires can definitely be the culprit. Just about every symptom you're talking about plagued me over the last month or so. It wasn't until I checked my plugs/wires last weekend (starting and 8 and working backwards), that I found the problem was with #3. Keep in mind I have aftermarket headers and #3 is a tough one to route because they sit VERY close to one of the header tubes. You could be having a problem on one of the others just as well. The 5.0 is known for heat issues with respect to wires. If it's not wires, it could definitely be plugs. Symptoms would be similar. Misfire is a misfire.

Secondly, spark plugs are WAY easier to work on with the 5.0 than many other Explorers. The two banks sit with easy access and almost right in front of you if you remove the soft splash guard within the wheel wells (and access the plugs from there). I used a standard deep socket spark plug socket and a few extensions to get at them. Keep in mind that I am arguably the worst mechanic on the site and rarely tackle anything unless I'm 100% confident I won't screw something up. Changing plugs is not that hard. I'm surprised the mechanic you speak of is such a wimp. Probably time for a second opinion if you don't want to do it yourself.

Wires can be a bit tricky using the standard routing (and some of those wire looms can be a pain to open if they're original), but definitely something anyone can do. Do one at a time so you can keep the routing stock (and remember where the wires go). Use OEM plugs/wires for best results. Just make sure you use anti-seize on the sparkplug threads so they come out easier next time, and dielectric grease on the boots for pretty much the same reason. Here is how you handle the firing order for the wires:

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Please note that I had NO codes either. Also keep in mind that the 2000 EB (yours) and 1999 EB (mine) are virtually identical.
 






After further inspection, the heads on the explorer appear to be cast iron. The mechanic I had taken it to said they would be aluminum and the dis-similar metals would nearly weld themselves together. Being that they aren't aluminum I believe you are right. They shouldn't be THAT bad to change. I will have to get a mechanic to agree to this though. Like I said I'm staying across the state from my shop for work so the tools I brought were pretty limited otherwise I would just do it myself.
 






After further inspection, the heads on the explorer appear to be cast iron. The mechanic I had taken it to said they would be aluminum and the dis-similar metals would nearly weld themselves together. Being that they aren't aluminum I believe you are right. They shouldn't be THAT bad to change. I will have to get a mechanic to agree to this though. Like I said I'm staying across the state from my shop for work so the tools I brought were pretty limited otherwise I would just do it myself.

If it counts for anything, I drove around 400 highway miles on with the problem last month and about 500 miles with a similar issue last summer (Wisconsin to Kansas). Outside of some minor performance issues (the odd backfire and stutter), you'll still be able to plug along (I did so at pretty high speed through the night). These 5.0s are pretty reliable. I doubt you'll be left stranded.

I wouldn't pay a mechanic to do the work. I did once and they build a lot of hours into the job. Now that I know how easy it is to change plugs on the 5.0, I feel cheated.
 






I don't want to pay someone to fix it but being so far away from home and my tools and my limited time to get it fixed, I am taking it to ford tomorrow. I can't just change things until its fixed, I need to fix it and be done.

Is there a chance it could be a leaking head gasket or somehow slipped timing?

I really hope it isn't anything major, I love this explorer, it is my second and I really hate to think about getting rid of it.

Any other ideas on this situation would be helpful. I've ran multiple tanks of gas through it and it still isn't any better. It just comes and goes, power surging, occasional pop through the intake, and it does the shudder that it has always done at between 1800-3k rpms under load. The shudder is what scares me most. It has always done it since I purchased it and I always worried it could be something major and then now it does it a lot along with the popping and surging power.
 






The ford dealership couldn't get it to have any of the problems I am describing. Then when I left I didn't even drive 25 minutes and had the same problems again. They believed it would be a plug or plug wire issue also but it would cost around 650$ or so to fix it. I really have no way to fix this here in my parking lot. I've called around and the cheapest I found was around 250$ for the plugs, wires, and fuel filter.

I might be able to get away with changing the plugs and stuff here if I can remove the inner fender and get them changed with the car on the ground and the wheels and tires on it but that seems like a tight fit.

Do the plugs ever seize in there if they haven't been changed for a long period?

I just don't want to end up damaging a head because I have had problems with that on a truck with aluminum heads I had once before.
 






The ford dealership couldn't get it to have any of the problems I am describing. Then when I left I didn't even drive 25 minutes and had the same problems again. They believed it would be a plug or plug wire issue also but it would cost around 650$ or so to fix it. I really have no way to fix this here in my parking lot. I've called around and the cheapest I found was around 250$ for the plugs, wires, and fuel filter.

I might be able to get away with changing the plugs and stuff here if I can remove the inner fender and get them changed with the car on the ground and the wheels and tires on it but that seems like a tight fit.

Do the plugs ever seize in there if they haven't been changed for a long period?

I just don't want to end up damaging a head because I have had problems with that on a truck with aluminum heads I had once before.


Whether the plugs come out easy or not depends on where you live. Lots of threads recently whereby people have had a hard time getting old plugs out, but that's because of salt on the road, rust etc. Where I live, there isn't excessive salt used in winter, so plugs aren't that difficult to get out. Make sure you use anti-seize on the threads and dielectric grease on the boots and you'll never have an issue again.

Motorcraft Double Plats go for around $5/each if I recall and Motorcraft wires run around $125 if I recall (I'm in Canada, but have purchased in the last year or so). That would mean around $165 for parts. Therefore, $250 might not be a bad deal if you want to pay someone to do it for you, especially since they'll do the fuel filter as well. Make sure they go with OEM plugs/wires for that price. At very least, settle for Autolite plugs (made by same company that makes Motorcraft). Don't settle for no-name wires. The OEM wires have built in heat shields that prevent wires from being torched. If not going OEM, get some heat socks (at least 3-4, I used them on all 8). There are some tight clearances in there.

$650 is a complete rip-off. Now you know why they're called "Stealerships". ;)

I did NOT remove the wheel wells to do my plugs last summer nor did I remove the wheels. I find there is enough access if you just remove the soft splash shields. Careful not to tear them, especially on the passenger side (seems to be a common occurence...mine are taped together currently).

FYI, the challenge I see with the wires is they're held in there pretty good by the OEM wire looms which can be a ***** to open depending on where located. My wires are not routed in a standard fashion as I have Torque Monster Headers and my biggest objective is keeping the wires free of the headers (I've lost more than one in the past with poor routing). I also use aftermarket, tool free looms (by MSD) that snap on and off by hand. A little pricey, but I love how they work. Allows me to be creative in keeping the wires clear.

Good luck. As before, these trucks are solid, even with a misfire. As long as you're not completely running on 7 cylinders, you should be able to get around until you get the work done.
 






Thanks for the help, it is really appreciated. I am having the fuel filter replaced tomorrow because it needs it either way. I got another opinion and the other mechanic thinks I could be seeing the begging symptoms of a failing coil. He tested it on the computer, drove it, and diagnosed it all for free so the least I can do is pay him to change the fuel filter! ha.

Once again thanks for the help, I will update here as the problems get worse or are fixed, whichever happens.
 






Thanks for the help, it is really appreciated. I am having the fuel filter replaced tomorrow because it needs it either way. I got another opinion and the other mechanic thinks I could be seeing the begging symptoms of a failing coil. He tested it on the computer, drove it, and diagnosed it all for free so the least I can do is pay him to change the fuel filter! ha.

Once again thanks for the help, I will update here as the problems get worse or are fixed, whichever happens.

That's what we're here for. Us lucky enough 5.0 owners gotta stick together. For what it's worth, I thought I had a coil issue too. I use MSD coi packs and to troubleshoot, I put the OEM packs back on and that seemed to solve the issue. I then scored a new matching pair of MSD coil packs and the truck ran fine for a little while and then started chugging again. That's when I troubleshooted further and it was the wire. Now I've got several coil packs in my spare parts bin. :D

Troubleshooting is a pain, but this site is GREAT for that as it's been in existence for a long time and lots of great threads in the archives going back a long time. My latest is the cold weather "tap, tap, tap" that is inherent to our trucks (worn lifters, so I'm told). Noisy when cold, but not harm. Drives me nuts even though I can't hear a think when stereo is on (most of time). I just want it "perfect", but that seems unattainable. That issue started right after I solved the misfire issue and the weather got cooler (had a similar issue last winter too).

As much as these trucks have their nagging issues, the 5.0 version of the 2nd gen is still one of the most reliable Explorers out there. That's why I scored mine 5 years ago. OK, it can be a moody ***** some times, but I love it to death, I guess that's why some people name their trucks after women. ;)

Definitely let us know how things pan out. At the very least, new plugs/wires can't hurt. Do you know how old yours are?
 






Well I changed my fuel filter because that was the least expensive, easiest thing to do. It seemed to help, the problem wasn't noticeable until recently. Now its back again doing the same so even though the filter needed changing, that wasn't my problem. I'm going to change the plugs and plug wires next.

How are B&B wires? They claim to be OEM quality or better, 8mm suppressor wires. Or is it really needed to spend 150-200$ on wires?
 






Or how about Omni wires?

I'm trying to find something local that won't be $200+. The local for dealership is just completely unreasonable with prices. Parts alone for motorcraft plugs and wires are right at 400$. And Ford probably contracts out to some other company to make motorcraft wires and plugs anyway.
 






Never heard of B&B or Omni. There are a LOT of aftermarket options out there and quality varies wildly. Remember that the 5.0 is notorious for eating wires because they run so close to the exhaust manifolds. OEM wires include metal heatshields in most applications.

You can get OEM plugs/wires for a LOT less than $400. I think I paid around $120 for wires and around $5 each for plugs online. Try Rock Auto and don't forget you can get a discount code for them in the vendor forum.
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Motorcraft plugs are made by Autolite. Go with Iridium Autolite XP104 for plus - are better than the OEM ones.
 



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Omni are what all of the local parts stores sell, they are what I've always used. They also have heat shields. I went ahead and got them because I don't want to wait for shipping to get some here from the net when I'm having this problem. Even if they don't last extremely long it will let me figure out if this is my problem and if it was it will get me by for a few months and I will get some better wires.

I just needed some ASAP so I could start trying to get them changed.
 






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