My Hydrogen Cell Works

[bwingler]

If anyone is interested i have posted my fuel cell project videos on my web site. my address is http://www.nature-powered.com/hydro There is two videos the first one is "fuel cell_0003" and the second one is "Fuel Cell part 2". I had been asked about where is the electrodes and high voltage coil. I used 304 16ga stainless steel plates 9 total to fracture the water. I am not using any high voltage what so ever. The electrodes are on top of the cell. It worked fine driving to work today. I have a new site i am building and everything will be moved to it as soon as i get it done. http://www.watergivesmegas.com

Barry

 

[BrooklynBay]

I got your email about the update in this section. Just to keep everything organized, I want to post my questions from the previous thread here.

This looks interesting. It should be in the hybrid section of this website. Could you explain a few details? I see that you have a water filter modified to act as a fuel cell. I don't see the electrodes or stacked plates inside of it. Where is the high voltage coil (or are you using one which is connected to your vehicle)? Are you going to connect the hose to the fuel port to run the engine on hydrogen? Would it supply enough hydrogen on demand without a storage tank? About 1 1/2 years ago I connected my fuel port to a propane cylinder, but the engine wouldn't work properly. I had to start on gasoline, then switch over to propane. It wouldn't rev above idle on propane. It could only run for about 10 seconds before cutting out.

 

[briwayjones]

Nice, I look forward to see what your results are.

 

[Rick]

Very interesting indeed Both videos were the same though... At least for me.

How about pulling the electric fuel pump solenoid and video taping it so we can see that the fuel system has been disabled?

 

[BrooklynBay]

In the second video, is the hydrogen actually running the engine or is it acting as a "power booster" along with gasoline? Could I connect a propane feed into the intake the same way your hydrogen feed is connected? You said that you have 16 gauge stainless steel plates inside of the canister on the top. How far are they going into the water? I thought that the plates have to be made out of dissimilar metals? From my previous experience with water filters, the regular ones are made to work with cold water only. There are canisters which are made to work with hot water. Which one do you have?

 

[BrooklynBay]

If it's running totally on hydrogen, then your emissions, and oil should be much cleaner. What keeps the hydrogen gas from leaking out of the other side of the intake? Does it affect the idle or MAF sensor? Did you check your stoichiometry with an air/fuel gauge connected to your O2 sensor? It would be interesting to see a dyno comparison. Maybe AlDive might want to run some tests on it?

 

[IZwack]

Did you check your stoichiometry with an air/fuel gauge connected to your O2 sensor?

I think a more simple method of stoichiometry would be to trap the vapor coming out of the exhaust (let it condense, etc...), run the system until it sputters and dies, weigh the vapor/water collected and compare it to the amount of water initially poured into the system. The input mol number should about equal the output water/vapor mol number. But here then is the thermodynamics problem of "free energy" . Such an exothermic reaction of course would mean that the right side of the equation is 2 mols of H2O + energy. But, "in theory", that energy is slightly less than the energy used to split the two hydrogen molecules from the oxygen. So in the end, "in theory" again, you're at an energy deficit. However, I can't wait to see some results/numbers as I don't completely understand how alternators and their voltage regs operate (assuming you're pulling energy from the alternator).

 

[BrooklynBay]

It appears that it's generating voltage, but I know that it is also using voltage. He mentioned the current draw, but is displaying more current being produced than the draw. Is this correct or did I misunderstand something between those 2 video clips?

 

[briwayjones]

In the second video, is the hydrogen actually running the engine or is it acting as a "power booster" along with gasoline?

I believe it is being used as an efficiency booster along with gasoline to make the combustion more complete and efficient.

 

[BrooklynBay]

Could you post some internal pictures of the plates inside of the canister? Do you plan on adding a water tank with an electric pump to make an automatic system for refilling it when it runs low? Do you have a schematic diagram?

 

[witchdoctor]

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[bwingler]

Hi All,
First off it is being used as a Hydrogen booster to get extra mileage from the gasoline. This is my first cell. I am currently working on a larger cell with an electronic throttle circuit to increase amperage as you step on the gas petal to generate more hydrogen. My next cell should run the engine without using gasoline or very,very little. I used a clear 14" water filter housing on this one so i could see it work and show my friends. The next one will be sealed like a battery.

With gas over $3.00 a gallon it was time. I started this project when katrina brought on the first round of high gas prices. It is hooked up with a relay and a 40 amp circuit breaker and a emergency shutoff switch in the truck. The relay is energized with the ignition switch. I found through trial and error what plates and spacing worked the best. It is tuned in at 5.70 volts dc at 30amps.

I have noticed an increase in power as i am not dropping out of overdrive on some off the hills like i use to. I have spent about $300.00 on the project and tons of hours. Lots of research. I will post pictures of the plate build on my site as soon as i have it up and running. That is what makes my cell different from others. My next cell is going to be on a pancake style.

The ending in the video was put there because everybody kept telling me i was going to blow myself up. I will keep everyone updated on my progress. Its ironic to use something you drink to make gas with. just my 2 cents


This cell is for testing only. So far it doesn't get super hot, just warm.

 

[MountaineerGreen]

I am glad to see that you got one working. I worked on one some time back, but could never keep the solution from boiling over- I just gave up. I would be interested to see how your cell is built.

 

[BrooklynBay]

I think you should add a pressure/vacuum gauge to it to monitor the manifold vacuum, then the boost from the hydrogen when it reaches its climax. Is your water filter the model with the 3/4" NPT female threads on both ends? I remember reading a while ago about some company (possibly Coleman) that came out with a fuel cell which didn't use a PEM (proton exchange membrane). Does your cell have one? How did you preset the amount of voltage, and current your cell uses? Did you use a voltage regulator?

 

[BrooklynBay]

Do you think distilled or filtered water would improve its efficiency? What about hydrogen peroxide H202? It would provide more oxygen to match the hydrogen being released.

 

[BrooklynBay]

I saw this on EBay: .
It was at this link: (dead links)
This link has more pictures of it:
Check this link too:
The above picture reminds me of a spud gun. This is the output, and temperature:

It runs @ 200 degrees Fahrenheit @ 20 amps. No voltage gauge could be found in the photographs. This is how it's set up in his vehicle:

 

[BrooklynBay]

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[BrooklynBay]

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The Proton Exchange Membrane Fuel Cell Animation.

This animation shows the process that goes on inside of an individual fuel cell. The red Hs represents hydrogen molecules (H2) from a hydrogen storage tank. The orange H+ represents a hydrogen ion after its electron is removed. The yellow e- represents an electron moving through a circuit to do work (like lighting a light bulb or powering a car). The green Os represents an oxygen molecule (O2) from the air, and the blue drops at the end are for pure water- the only byproduct of hydrogen power.

To produce power in large amounts, many of these cells are combined into a fuel cell stack. This image shows a fuel cell stack composed of 36 cells.
(lost photos)
THE PEM FUEL CELL SCHEMATIC.

At the anode, the hydrogen molecules give up electrons, and form hydrogen ions, a process that is made possible by the platinum catalyst.

The electrons travel to the cathode through an external circuit, producing electrical work as they go through the light bulb.

The hydrogen ions flow through the proton exchange membrane to the cathode where they combine with oxygen molecules to form water.

In this way, hydrogen fuel's natural tendency to oxidize, and form water produces electricity, and useful work.

No pollution is produced, and the only byproducts are water, and heat.

The chemical reaction:

Anode: 2H2 ---> 4H+ + 4e-
Cathode: 4e- + 4H+ + O2 ---> 2H2O
Overall: 2H2+ O2 ---> 2H2O

 

[IZwack]

FYI, the designs Brooklyn posted is a proton exchange fuel cell.

The cells discussed earlier in this thread and in the E-bay links are not a proton exchange cells but rather cells producing hydrogen and oxygen from water through electrolysis.

The main difference of course is that the two are almost opposite of each other. The proton exchange cell creates water from hydrogen and oxygen where as the electrolysis cell creates hydrogen and oxygen from water. The reaction equations are basically opposites of each other.

Where the proton exchange cell creates energy, the electrolysis cell takes in energy. In the end of the electrolysis cell, the hydrogen and the oxygen molecules are at higher energy states than before which means they took in energy (through electrolysis). In the proton exchange cell, the water end product is lower in energy than the input (oxygen and hydrogen) which means the system gave up energy (to charge the vehicle's battery).

 

[BrooklynBay]

This link explains the basics of how electrolysis, and fuel cells work: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html
Electrolysis of Water:

Hydrogen Fuel Cell: