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No 4x4-Yet again!

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1992 XLT Sport & 97 XLT
Sorry for the repetitive thread, but every situation seems to be unique. I just bought a 92 Explorer Sport, with 171,000 with the auto locking hubs everbody hates. My situation is this: When I push the 4x4 button, the light comes on and I can hear the Tcase engage, also the 4x4 light comes on, but the four wheel drive is not engaging (easily tested on the snow in Denver). 4 low does exactly the same. I'm guessing it's the hubs, but I'd like to hear anything you experts have to say. FWIW, I like the auto hubs and if they are bad, I will replace them with new or rebuilt units. Any threads on replacement/ troubleshooting these hubs? Thanks for any replies:confused:
 



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Sounds like one or both of your hubs are bad. The 4x4 button press and lights indicate it has correctly shifted the T-case into 4x4 and that power is now being sent 50/50 front/rear. So unless your front drive shaft is not rotating (put some tape on it, drive a hundred feet, if it moved then your hubs are the problem..
 






Previous owner didn't remove front drive shaft eh?
 






Thanks, the driveshaft is still there, I will try the tape when I get home.
 






Yep check and make sure you front drive shaft is spinning, if you have a friend he can look as you drive to see if its spinning. If it is spinning I would think its your hubs.
 






Easy way to check is jack up one front end. Turn the front driveshaft (not the front axel) and see if the hub on the wheel that's off the ground catches and starts to turn the wheel. If it doesn't (ie. the front axel spins but the tire doesn't) the hub is gone. Do the same for the other side, jack up the other side and put the other front tire back on the ground. FYI...the front diff is an open diff, and for some reason, there's less resistance to turn the drivers side axel, then the passenger side, that's why you can't do this with both front tires off the ground - cause only the drivers side front axel will rotate. I guess it's the path of least resistance.


________________________________________________________________________I just got done converting my hubs to manual, even though only one was bad. I found all the parts I needed to fix my bad hub from a guy here on the board, Kris (KrisGuilbeaux [kguilbeaux@cox-internet.com]).

The good news is that they are real easy to test. With your Ex in 2wd, crawl underneath with a pair of gloves, a long screwdriver, and a flashlight. Turn the front driveshaft and watch the axle shafts coming out of the front differential. You should see the axleshafts turn a liitle bit then feel a "click" as the hub clicks itself locked and then the shat won't turn anymore (unless you've got the tire off the ground in which case the wheel sould turn). If one side clicks and the shaft stops turning but the other side still turns then that's the side with a broken hub. Now jam the screwdriver in the u-joint of the one that is broken and see if the good hub holds so that you cannot turn the driveshaft any more. Of course, if you've put a locker in the front diff then you can't check them this way. If you have a front limited slip then you may be able to get enough muscle on the driveshaft to get the clutches inside the diff to slip, thus acting like an open differential.

Now that you know if your hubs are good, check your t-fer case. While under the vehicle, have someone switch the ignition to the run position (do not start it up). After all the electric noises stop, have them push the 4x4 button while you have your bare hand on the t-fer case shift motor (looks like a power window motor). You should feel it whir and hear it hum as it activates. Now turn the front driveshaft again. If it is in 4x4 then it will only turn a little then stop. If it still turns like before then the case is still in 2wd. Ask your helper if the 4x4 light is on - it shouldn't be if the motor didn't move. Try thumping the motor a couple of time with something while your helper pushes the button and see if anything happens. If you take the motor off, you can get a pair of pliers or vice grips on the shaft coming out of the transfer case and rotate it ccw (I think) to manually put it in 4wd. Also, with the shift motor out you can have your helper push the button again and see if the wheel inside turns. The contacts that lights the dash LED's, and tells the controller what position the wheel is in are located on this wheel and is what most often gets dirty and causes the t-fer case not to be engaged.

Sorry for the long post, hope it helps.


Aloha, Mark
 






An even better way would be to leave the X on the ground in 2H.. Crawl under and rotate the front drive shaft (either direction). You should see it rotate the front axle shafts going to each wheel. After a few revolutions the hubs should lock and you will not be able to rotate the shaft anymore. If you can still rotate the shaft after 10 revolutions it indicates one or both hubs are bad (the bad hub will be the one whose axle shaft is still moving). You can confirm this by rotating each axle shaft separately. If the shaft continues to move the hub is bad, it it stops the hub correctly locked.
 






Thanks for the replies, the right front auto hub was trashed. Replaced by 2 rebuilt auto hubs I bought on ebay for $237 TOTAL!
 






Thanks for the replies, the right front auto hub was trashed. Replaced by 2 rebuilt auto hubs I bought on ebay for $237 TOTAL!

You could have bought two manuals and a kit for less than that. :confused: :confused:
 






Thanks for the replies, the right front auto hub was trashed. Replaced by 2 rebuilt auto hubs I bought on ebay for $237 TOTAL!

How did you diagnose the hub was trashed...
 






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