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Perfect. Thanks!

From reading other posts the last couple days, I'm surprised they don't offer spacers as a kit. Others have had problems finding the right pads to fit steel pistons even with right part number.


I've got a list racked up on Rock Auto. Just need to find what all the discounts and coupons are.
 



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Fun Fact!

1/02/2001 Was the date they changed from steel to phenolic pistons on the Explorer. 2 different part number options under 2001 Explorer. Interestingly, some brands distinguish the 1/1/01 date for the rear pads and some don't.

Thinking of pulling some used phenolics and just lathing it down to fit for spacers. Less work and cheaper than making one from steel stock.

Think it's possible to remove the clips from the used pad and tack weld them onto the 3rd gen pads?
 






Here is a pic of my Ranger rear rotor. You can see the "old groove" where the original pad was and you can see the 3rd gen pad goes all the way to the top and about a 1/4" down to the inside. Just to clarify I am using a 99 Explorer 8.8 rear axle.


boomin, how did you come up with the thought to try the rd gen caliper on the 2nd gen rear?

I ask because I have the rear brakes from an 04 Crown Vic, and planned to put them on my 99 soon. Those have larger rear rotors, and they are vented. I've got the set of parts, so I wonder if another caliper might have a larger pad like that 02-05 Explorer.
 






I cant claim the idea, another friend of mine came up with it after doing a brake job in a 3rd gen. He got 3rd Gen pads, spreaded the ears and dropped them right in the back of his 2nd gen. I just decided to do it the more correct way and just swap some 3rd Gen calipers on (had a set off scrap truck). I wish they had a steel piston though.

The issue with the 04 Vic brakes will be the backing plates not lining up. I'm pretty sure they have the smaller bolt flange on the axle. Kinda like how ranger guys with 28 spline axles can bolt mustang rear disc parts right on but explorer stuff won't work.
 






Uh oh, I didn't know Ford still had different mounting holes like older Fords. I didn't think of that, I got these ten years ago when I was doing the custom fronts. I figured they'd be a cheap upgrade for my mail truck, just not as good as aftermarket 8.8 kits which are not cheap($700+).

Are the caliper pistons of the 3rd gen rears the same size by chance as other calipers? I'd bet there are so many caliper pistons made that there is a matching steel version.

Phenolic caliper pistons will work fine for almost anything, just not severe duty like constant braking of a mail vehicle, or police who might "cook" their brakes occasionally. Towing down hills would make some serious heat too, which may apply to a lot of Explorers. Big tires but in normal driving they may be okay, you'd just have to be diligent at inspecting the pistons often early on.

My Crown Vic did fine I thought for a couple of years before I noticed the cracking. I saw cracks down inside the pistons, though they didn't leak. I had to buy rebuilt calipers then to fix it, and gladly those were only $20 maybe with taxes, in 1993. I just watched them and replaced, anytime they were looking brittle or more discolored. Back then Super Stop pads were the best, I'd get 20,000 miles from them. But they changed the pad material in the late 90's, and it showed fast, at nine months one fell apart. That's when I went back to hunting another choice, and EBC was kind of new to the US market etc.
 






Thanks again everyone for contributing, I've learned quite a bit here.

Can't say I ever cared too much about brakes to look at aftermarket upgrades. I just always bought whatever friction metallic pads and premium rotors the part store I was at had. Thought it was that or $4,000+ brembo swap, which I could never justify considering I can build an aluminum head long block for that, or even buy 2 more nice explorers! or take my chances paying more on gimmick brands.

For Front(bigger) and Rear slotted rotors and Front and Rear(bigger) HD pads comes out to $386 on RockAuto with 5% discount. I can stomach that. Especially considering people pay that all day at their local Brake'n'Shake to install the cheapest brake parts made. You do get a "free inspection" with that though.:laugh:


You know, I think an entrepreneurial spirit could make a few pennies selling "Explorer/Ranger Oversized Rear Pad Upgrade Adapters" on eBay.


Cheers Fellas!
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Hey, got a story for you.

I used to have a 2000 v8 police explorer I won from an online auction and picked up at the police garage.

Said Miami K9 Unit:
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It had drilled and slotted front rotors on it.

Said Rotors:
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True story.

Said True Story.
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The rotors, and who knows what brand they were, had a few hairline cracks from the cross drilled holes which steered me to get just slotted/vented.
 






Yes the difference is in the piston center opening / brake pad clips. The calipers will bolt right in with no mods. You could spread the clips out on the 3rd Gen pad but it's still going to rattle. I'll try to snap a pic of my ranger rear brakes, you can barely see where the old pad used to sit on the rotor.

On the front with sport brakes I have successfully used both factory steel 15" wheels and 15x10 with 3.25 backspace. No 15" aluminum wheel will fit.

I am still running factory master cylinder with factory ABS. I think my master might be smaller than an explorer but I do know they use the same master with drum or disc on rangers. My truck stops great and with abs unplugged will lock all 4 up on dry pavement.

I am a firm believer in a bigger rotor adding to performance. I went from ST brakes to SVT brakes on my focus. I kept my same calipers, just swapped rotors and caliper brackets. I went from 278mm to 300mm fronts and like 250mm to 272mm in the rear. I don't notice much difference in slow breaking but on harder stops I notice a big difference. My old pads and rotors were in great shape before the swap also.

not quite true. Ford changed this wheel for 2010/2011. the barrel portion was enlarged to accommodate 12" rotors. 2009 and earlier versions most definitely do not fit 12" rotors.
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Thanks for posting this. That wheel looks pretty good. Also looks good painted!

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Pic is from 'Justice Boy' on fordrangerforums.com


Never seen them on a 2nd Gen Explorer.
 






99 ranger with V8 had gone very rusty so I got 03 Level II. I had new brakes on 99 went to put them on 03 found out 03 has 12" rotor not 11 1/4 rotors 99 had. Had to get new rotor and pads. My ranger does have Explorer rear that was 99 ranger. I am saving 03 level II rear axle it is 31 spline and torsen diff
 






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