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I just had a great idea! It's kinda out there, but here it goes:

I have an old Mac LC III in my closet at home. It has a 40mhz 68040 CPU, 20mb RAM, and a 60mb HD. I'm going to run a microphone to the front seat, patch into the front speakers, and enable voice recognition on it. It won't serve any purpose, but I can preprogram responses based on what I say.

The only thing I'm worried about is power consumption. Any idea what size an inverter I need, and if my truck can handle it? Theoretically, I could hook up a CDROM and have the computer play MP3 Discs. Kinda makes you think, doesn't it?
 



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hehe, worth a shot. I like the suggestion that was in an earlier thread about those old programs that had AI in them and responded to you and what not.. lol, that would be bad
 






I think it will handle it. It should not use that much power. What happens when you need to see what you are doing? Where are you going to put the monitor?
 






MOBILE COMPUTING MADNESS.

Todays topic: MOBILE COMPUTING

OVERVIEW
Ok, so you want a PC in your ride. No problem. There's only 4 things to worry about.
1.) Power supply
2.) Control
3.) Monitor
4.) Space (that the PC takes up)

1.) POWER SUPPLY/CONSUMPTION
The easist way to do this is an inverter. 150 watts or more is more than enough. I'm running 300 watts and it powers the PC and PlayStation at the same time with no problems. The better option is a DC/DC PSU (Power Supply Unit). They come in AT style typically and wire directly to the cars 12 volt power. They provide "cleaner" power, are more energy efficent (no DC to AC to DC, PC's are DC) and cost about $70. I wouldn't advise running a PC of inverter longer than 30 minutes without the truck on. I hate dead batteries. On a side note, if you use an inverter you will most probably encounter a possitive sine-wave over your speakers better known as "Inverter-Wine". This can be resolved with a ground loop isolator and a filter kit, both you can get a Radio Snack.

2.) CONTROL
Controlling the PC is one of the two biggest problems, the second being the monitor. You can't really keep a keyboard and desktop mouse in easy reach, nor can you use either of them to great effect in an automotive enviroment. Some people prefer to use numeric keypad setups. You can get software to drive these from a number of sights (see links later). I personally solved the problem with the use of a wireless keyboard and a touch-pad mouse purchased at Office Max for $40. I placed the IR reciever for the KB under the ash tray under the dash. I keep the KB under the seat. I don't really need one except for the GPS software so that works great. The touch-pad mouse is the real control. Since I don't have to "mouse" it around I keep it velco'd to the top of my custom console. It works great. Small foot print and easy to use.
***VOICE RECOGNITION***
I tried ALOT of diffrent voice recognition packages. Dragon Naturally Speaking, IBM's Via-Voice, ect. None worked to the level I wanted. The stereo always confuse the computer. The software's just not there yet. If you're dead set on it, Dragon worked the best, but it's cost prohibitive.

3.) MONITOR/DISPLAY
Here's the REALLY tricky part. A computer is a VISUAL tool. If you can't see whats on the screen you can't control it. If your just building a MP3 box this can be done easily with a 40 Character LCD display bought for about $30. If you plan to do more intensive things such as DVD, GPS, gaming, etc. you will need a display of some kind. I've seen many things done. Laptop displays mounted in the dash, LCD screens used in car audio setups, even an actual monitor. These can be complicated to work with, I'll show you were to go to do research on these but my recommendation is to use a LCD screen and composit video. A little harder to work with than a regular monitor but ALOT cheaper. I'm personally running composit video out to an Alpine IVA-C800 6 1/2" LCD display that retracts into my dash and controls the rest of the system. The best reason I can think of aside from cost for doing composite video is you can hook other things to it like a VCR, Nintendo, PlayStation, ect.

4.) SPACE/FOOTPRINT
This is the last problem. Where do you put the dang thing once it's all built. A traditional PC is pretty good sized. I used a Book-PC. It's about the size of a dictonary. I cut the case to ribons and built a new center console around it, and my CB. (I REALLY need to get that scanner!!!) Some mounting locations include a new center console, just exposed in the back of the truck, in that space on the passangers side in the rear, etc. I guess it's up to you. I wanted supreme stealth to keep with the rest of my system. I would try to keep it as far to the front as I can for easy control of the power and to keep those cables short.

CONCLUSION
While an large project, it can be done. I have over 2,000 songs on demand. The ultimate CD changer. I did the whole thing, minus monitor, for about $500. A company called Key West Computers sells the Book-PC's I was refering to preassmbled for about $500. There not on thier website but if you E-Mail them they can ship it to you. If anyone here decides to do this and needs help, let me know.

LINKS
http://www.alpine1.com
Makers of great monitors for mobile media applications.
http://www.mp3car.com
Great source of car computing information.
http://www.kwcomputers.com
Where I bought my Book-PC. Tell 'em Skip sent ya. Make sure to mention the message board.
http://ashleypowers.homepage.com/
The DEFINITAVE web-page for custome PC installation in an automobile. He's my hero. :cool:
 






The voice recognition software I'm going to use is part of the Mac OS. I'll probably use version 8.6.1 of the OS, possibly 7.5.1. Once I program the computer, I don't need a monitor all the time. All I'd need hooked up is power, mic, and speakers. The computer is the size of a medium pizza box, so I could probably stick it under the front passenger seat. The CPU probably isn't good enough to run MP3's, so I'll forgo that idea. I already have my best MP3's on CD, anyway. As for output, I have the stock head unit, so it doesn't have aux. input. I might just hide some small speakers somewhere, dedicated to the CPU. The voice recognition should work if 1) the mic is close to my mouth and 2) I speak clear enough. It should be fine even with music, unless the music is super loud. As for power, I'll probably just use an inverter since I don't feel like messing with the internal power supply of the computer. As for clean sound, I'll probably be fine as long as the inverter is more than a foot away from the CPU. I've sent this CPU dirty power before from many sources and it was fine.

The only benefit to this project is cool points, and it will cost about $100 for misc stuff and the inverter. It will also take a while to program the CPU. Is it worth it? Not right now. Maybe I'll be bored over winter break, but I don't think that bored! I appreciate the help, but I don't think I'll do it. It was just a crazy thing I thought of last night. If I do end up doing it, you'll be the first to know!
 






so did anything ever come of this?

sounds like a cool idea, even though there is no purpose. it still would impress people when they get into your explorer for the first time.
 






No way OS version 7 or 8 will run on those old things. I say get a cheap PC off of ebay for around 150 bucks and then do it that way.
 






Nah, I never did it and probably wont. I have an MP3 HU now so that's not a concern, and I have too many other gadgets in the truck already.

However, I did get a Mac Classic the other day and I'm turning it into a fish tank.
 












I actually built mine. I moved posts from it from this sight (more focuses on mechanical items) to www.mp3car.com (more focuses on car computing).

I ended up using a Book PC purchases from DirecTron and my Alpine IVA-C800 as the monitor.

I'm now moving on to a new vehicle and plan to build a new system for it. I'm going to use a shuttle FV-24 motherboard w/ a DC-DC power supply from Keypower .
I'm also going full VGA LCD this time with a touch screen overlay. GPS of course provided by DeLorme.

If anyone is interested in mobile computing let me know, I'd be glad to lend my expertise. Unfortunatly in the last few months I've developed a desire to sell my aging Navajo in favor of a newer vehicle (Subaru Impreza probably) so my return to this board is going to be inconsistant. But any e-mails I recieve will be answered.
 






I'm mostly concerned with heat buildup. How did you combat this? Did you use large fans and heatsinks?
 






Heat wasn't to big of an issue. A processor fan took care of most of it. You might want to add an additional 3" fan on the enclosure to give it added ventalation.
 






Cool. Thanks for the info. My plan is to use an LCD controller card and drive a laptop display with it. Do you recommend this configuration? Thanks
 






That should be alright. Your going to need an inverter and a LCD controller board. You might want to check out www.mp3car.com for some more insights. They have a whole section on LCD's. Look in the message forum.
 






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