Stock these are decently fast!

[theSLEEPER]

OK, so 4300 we'll say, stripped on stockers with driver...

How much hp do the 5.0's have from the factory? 150 rwhp?

Makes sense if so, because that's around a 17 second 1/4. I wonder what it would take to get around 350 rwhp? Because THAT would be in the 12's. That's worth my time...

 

[zerodevil]

how much boost is he running? stock gears? I think this rig im talking about has 1:6.## gears, when its not on drag radials it has big ol tires on her, if i had to guess id say easily 44's.. Not to hard to believe that in 1st gear (built trans too..) with a 50+ PSI launch that he would get a little tire spin.


I wouldnt know much about the 5.0's. but apparently with these 4.6L's a set of trick flow heads and cams is supposed to get almost 100 extra horses to the rear wheels(total redesign on the heads). ive seen some NASTY dyno sheets of 5.0 mustangs that are making like 350 ft/lbs of tq for like, the ENTIRE powerband...nice looking stuff. LOTS of info on the web on the 5.0 engines, Foxbody mustangs are very popular drag racers.

 

[theSLEEPER]

If he had 6.XX gears, he would have NEVER ran a 13, or a 14, or a 15.... He'd have hit the rev limiter in top gear at 1/4 track.

The story sounds a little outrageous... I know I'm a new guy here, but I'm not new to racing or diesels, I hate to call BS, but that's what it sounds like. I believe you that he might have ran 13.whatever, but the rest of it sounds a little silly.

I'm really not trying to be rude at all... i know it's coming off that way, so sorry. But I just hear stuff like this all day... There's no video of this truck running? No pictures of the truck?

 

[zerodevil]

nope, but ill do my damndest to get some. Ive sent him an email with guestions about the truck, and a request for engine bay picks and video if he has any.

 

[theSLEEPER]

Awesome. I really want to see this beast. Where's he from?

 

[zerodevil]

talkeetna alaska. its about a 3 hour drive from where i live, hour and a half past the strip where im going to be running my truck in a few weeks. Hes a pretty funny guy, it could be a few days before i hear back from him, he doesnt check his email very often lol. ill PM you when i hear from him though.

 

[illjim69]

not true, i have beat a mustang gt(2001 i believe) by a car lenght on an estimated 1/4 mile. these rigs have quite a bit of potential, check google for KBX vs GTO... its rocket destroying an 05-06 gto with his explorer on the 1/4 mile.

P.s. i guess i should have mentioned that my rig isnt stock, same with some of the other fellows on here. Im probably putting 315 out of the crank, and 265ish at the back wheels. I have plans for a min a set of trick flow heads and crower hi rise stage 2 cams. and at most a KB Superchargr ontop of that.. im fairly certain i am going to make some import owners cry...

You will make them cry until you hit the twisties.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I just don't see the point in modding an Explorer to be fast, seeing as how they will really only ever be fast in a straight line and even then, seems like a bad platform to start with.

The video you told me to search for I found. Looks great until you read what is done to the thing.......

With that stage of mods it only had Kenne Bell 2.2 @ 9.5 psi on stock bottom end, and supporting mods such as 90 mm MAS, 42 lb injectors, elec fans, so on. Now it has fully built VT billet motor, KB @ 20 psi boost, Return fuel system w/ dual Ford GT fuel pumps, A-1000 FPR, Meziere elec water pump, Art Carr 4R70W tranny swap, Baumannator TCS, SD 60 lb/hr injectors, SCT BA2800 MAS, and so on... Once buttoned up it should lay down close to 600 at the wheels and run a mid 11 ET if I can get traction and not snap the rear end.

How much did all that cost? You do realize that both of those cars ran terrible times right? I mean, 13.9 for an Explorer is good, but 13.9 for an Explorer with that much money dumped into it is terrible. And clearly the GTO driver couldn't drive. Seriously, who pilots a LS2 GTO to the tune of a 14.4 second quarter mile? Those things can run high 12s stock with some slicks and decent driver.

265rwhp in a 4000+ lbs vehicle isn't that great. For instance, I will use a car that I know well. Take a 350Z with the HR engine in it (07-08). They generally dyno around 265 to the rear wheels (306 bhp), weigh in around 3300lbs and run mid to low 13s stock. Factor in all the other performance oriented aspects of the vehicle that a SUV doesn't have such as the tranny, LSD, suspension setup........well you get my point.

Again, not trying to be a ball buster or hate on your passion that you have for your vehicle, just trying to be a realist. But I guess that is what makes enthusiasts such a different breed, we all have our own tastes. If I were looking for a SUV to race I would go with a Cherokee SRT8 or maybe find a Cyclone!

 

[bex]

If he had 6.XX gears, he would have NEVER ran a 13, or a 14, or a 15.... He'd have hit the rev limiter in top gear at 1/4 track.

The story sounds a little outrageous... I know I'm a new guy here, but I'm not new to racing or diesels, I hate to call BS, but that's what it sounds like. I believe you that he might have ran 13.whatever, but the rest of it sounds a little silly.

I'm really not trying to be rude at all... i know it's coming off that way, so sorry. But I just hear stuff like this all day... There's no video of this truck running? No pictures of the truck?

As someone who has been in and around 7.3's since the idi days, I agree with you on your posts.

By the way, that is a very nice truck you have.

 

[backfrmcolorado]

just for ***** a giggles.thought i might add something off topic. today i took out my late uncels '61 vette that he left to me. didnt know that thing was that damn fast. i mean i thought my buddies v8 x was fast but damn. (TO GET IT STRAIGHT IM NOT A CHEVY GUY. FORD ALL THE WAY)
anyway pulled to the light and all the sudden this kid pulled up in a early 90's ranger with a v8 swap. did the whole rev thing back and forth a coupel of times and the light turned green. my gf said go 4 it. well i did and so did he. mind you this is the 1st time ever driveing this car, long story short he weant thru 3 grs and i was stil in first at 80 mph with more to go.yeah i beat him. not after the ticket i got right after. now i know why he gave up. cop said 120+ but he was being nice i think. big tickets.

the cop that pulled me over was in a 04-05 X with the v8.

 

[Limited02]

illjim69- The explorer in the video with the KB 2.2 is Rocket5979. He's a member on here but doesn't come around much anymore. He still has his explorer and it's even more potent than in that vid. And if I remember correctly, he ran a 13.9 because of traction issues if he was to go WOT from the start.

Another member on here that is actually really moving is Mounty03. He has a turbocharged 03' Mountaineer and is running 12.4's at full weight with AWD. He's currently upgrading his fuel system and is shooting for 11's this summer. Also search for awd rocks, he's pretty quick himself

Those guys are just the 3rd gens, there a several other gens that moving swiftly as well.

And yes, it's obvious to anyone that wants to go fast, you need to start fast. But as you mentioned, some of us are a different breed. I personally had an 89' LX 5.0 5-speed that had full exhaust, 3.73's/detroit locker, B&M ripper shifter, efan, CAI, UDP's and a little weight loss. Never took it to the track, but it was an easy mid/low 13 second car. The only thing it did better than my explorer was go faster and get better gas milage. But I would rather have my explorer go fast, haul 7 people and be able to drive all year round(4x4). But I do miss that car

I don't see why these explorer's are a bad plateform to begin with? Call me crazy, but I view them as an overweight mustang Cobra? (99+) There's plenty of go fast parts for our 4.6 2V's and a few suspension parts to make them hang with a mustang(stockish, not a Griggs GR40 equipped stang)

Not trying to start a war or anything, but as you mentioned once agan, there are different breeds. Me, Zerodevil, the guys I mentioned and several others are apart of that other breed. Everyone says I'm nuts for trying to make my "SUV" go fast, but with enough money, anything can be fast!

 

[Burnout]

I haven't done much like that in my Explorer, though it's a V6 so I don't think I'd have too much luck against a lot of things out there.

In my old Buick Century, though, I surprised almost everyone. Some fancy sports car with someone who looked like he just got out of high school (granted I was still in high school) pulled up next to me and got ready to just speed off. I just put my Century from the overdrive to 3 and that "old man's car" took off like a rocket. I always wish I could see the faces of the people behind me.

 

[GottaBigBlock]

My favorite burn was my buddy from work two days after the swap. He's got an 03 Ex that WAS exactly the same as my Mounty. Caught him on the way to work and that's when he found out I did the swap.....1.5 lengths to 60 and walking away! Gotta love the extra torque!

 

[illjim69]

illjim69- The explorer in the video with the KB 2.2 is Rocket5979. He's a member on here but doesn't come around much anymore. He still has his explorer and it's even more potent than in that vid. And if I remember correctly, he ran a 13.9 because of traction issues if he was to go WOT from the start.

I understand, about the traction part. It is always easier to make the power versus trying to put it to the ground. I was just saying that the guy probably dumped at least $10,000 in the engine alone, if not more. The same GTO that he raced in the video could also be into the 11s with a few bolt ons, a set of cams, a tune and some slicks. Same with almost any LSx powered car.

Another member on here that is actually really moving is Mounty03. He has a turbocharged 03' Mountaineer and is running 12.4's at full weight with AWD. He's currently upgrading his fuel system and is shooting for 11's this summer. Also search for awd rocks, he's pretty quick himself

Those guys are just the 3rd gens, there a several other gens that moving swiftly as well.

And yes, it's obvious to anyone that wants to go fast, you need to start fast. But as you mentioned, some of us are a different breed. I personally had an 89' LX 5.0 5-speed that had full exhaust, 3.73's/detroit locker, B&M ripper shifter, efan, CAI, UDP's and a little weight loss. Never took it to the track, but it was an easy mid/low 13 second car. The only thing it did better than my explorer was go faster and get better gas milage. But I would rather have my explorer go fast, haul 7 people and be able to drive all year round(4x4). But I do miss that car

I don't see why these explorer's are a bad plateform to begin with? Call me crazy, but I view them as an overweight mustang Cobra? (99+) There's plenty of go fast parts for our 4.6 2V's and a few suspension parts to make them hang with a mustang(stockish, not a Griggs GR40 equipped stang)

Crazy.

Hanging with a Mustang on curves isn't something to aspire to.

But I see what you're saying and like I said, people modify all sorts of vehicles. I have seen guys taking snowmobiles and lawn tractors to drag strips for crying out loud.

Not trying to start a war or anything, but as you mentioned once agan, there are different breeds. Me, Zerodevil, the guys I mentioned and several others are apart of that other breed. Everyone says I'm nuts for trying to make my "SUV" go fast, but with enough money, anything can be fast!

No war to start, like I said, people have their own tastes and styles. I was just trying to point out that there are way better platforms to start with if you want to go fast and haul people. Then again, I am slightly biased because I absolutely HATE my wife's Explorer (just about everything on it has broken prematurely).

And you are right, with enough money, anything can be fast. I was really kind of directing my first post toward the guys in here saying that they are beating up on Mustang GTs and other cars of that nature with their Explorers (even when their mods only have them running 15 second 1/4 mile times).

On a side note, have you ever been to clubrsx.com? Those guys over there think that a RSX-S with intake/header/exhaust/tune will beat almost anything on the road.

It is okay to love a vehicle and be proud of it, but there is no need to embellish about street races (not saying you, just saying).

 

[Limited02]

My favorite burn was my buddy from work two days after the swap. He's got an 03 Ex that WAS exactly the same as my Mounty. Caught him on the way to work and that's when he found out I did the swap.....1.5 lengths to 60 and walking away! Gotta love the extra torque!

Are you saying you have a 5.4 2V in your Moutaineer? I must have missed this build thread?



illjim69- I can believe zerodevil for beating a stock mustang gt because he has double the mods I do and I've run a best of 15.2 in the 1/4. The thing we have is traction so from a dig, I can jump out and the other car has to reel me in. I think zerodevil should be sitting on mid-14's with his mods and that puts him right next to a stock auto GT(99-04)

My neighbor has an 09' Cobalt SS Turbo and we ran at the track 4 times. I beat him to the 1/8 each time and then he would come flying past me after that.


And I know all to well about the premature wearing crap Even with all the little problems and having to fix this and that, I've always made it home! With what I have into this thing on top of what I paid for it, I could be driving a 2011 Mustang GT with the Tack Pack! But call me crazy, I'd rather have this than the Mustang Well, if the mustang was given to me and I had to sell the Explorer, then maybe. But having both would be a perfect world!

 

[zerodevil]

agreed!! The mustang i raced was just starting to catch up vary slowly by the time we slowed it down, i kinda felt bad because we were running out of road, i was doing aprox 90 mph(Paying more attention to the road lol). had some poor kid who looked nervious as hell (just watched me kill an 03 5.3L silverado), and his paniced friend. i ripped them out of the hole and was 3 or so lenghts ahead and he was slowly catching up for most of the (A foot or two a second, not much to gaggle at), he had the thing badged as a cobra, but ive raced my buddys 96 cobra and got shat on, so i dont think it was a cobra, just a badged stang. With heads and cams, these things will make decent relyable power. these are the same short blocks that sit in 03-04 cobra's and make 366 rwhp relyably for years in a FI condition. I forsee no bottom end problems unless i want to push past 400. then a minimuly built short block (5.3L) would be my solution. for less than 13 grand i could be sitting on a street drivable 400 rwhp. for 20 it could have a built trans and a supercharger. I dont know about you guys, but when i race, i dont look for twisties, because I AM NOT A RACE CAR DRIVER, and i feel it endagers everyone for me to do anything but stick my foot in her in a straight line. I had a 2001 firebird with a v6 that i totaled playing in the twisties. if your going to play around on the streets, do it in a LONG straight away. otherwise, keep your led foot holstered.

ALSO, i have NEVER seen a stock 350 dyno in better than 250 horses to the rear wheels. they dyno in at 246 normaly. also making less than 100 horses for the first 1500 rpm. these 4.6L's have a TON of potential, and it is WAY more fullfilling to take somthing that few people have and then destroy other popular already fast vehicles with them, that guy in the GTO that rocket92 raced probably went home cryin to the ford gods! your only looking at horse power, your forgetting the HUGE torque ability...horse power sells cars, torque wins races. these trucks may only put 200 horses down, but the almost 280 ft/lbs of torque is what intrests me. These rigs dash to 60 in less than 7 seconds with just bolt ons. if i dropped a blower on mine i could easily break into the 6 seconds. with heads and cams, probably into the 5 seconds. THAT says potential.

NOW THEN Specs on the diesel. crew cab longbed f-250. Has Forged steel internals(forgotten make), bored over to 7.4L's, Livewire custom tuned, ARP headstuds, K&N Cold air intake (W/ custom large intake pipe), Cowl induction, 190cc Ryan casserly built injectors, Industrial Injection VGT-Hypo Turbo, intercooled with HUGE water-air piece, Aftermarket trans cooler, Has 4:10's front and rear, bulletproof 4R100 transmission,100 shot and a 150 shot of nirtus, 7 inch custom driveshaft rear, 4 inch driveshaft front, banks dual 5 inch downpipe-back exhaust kit,propain starting kit, is on a 6 inch full suspension lift, dual shocks front and rear, runs around town on 38x16.5 Superswampers. the drag radials were 35x16 hoosers, front and rear. He can "Chirp" them off the line, not roast. best time with this setup has been a 13.12 at 98 mph(elevation was 120ish ASL, and OAT was a cold 38 degree's. I was unable to procure picks or video as he does not have a digital camera, all of his pictures are on FILM...FILM!! Who does film.. i should be seeing him at the track though in a few weeks and will try and pirate some media on the truck at that time.

 

[illjim69]

ALSO, i have NEVER seen a stock 350 dyno in better than 250 horses to the rear wheels. they dyno in at 246 normaly. also making less than 100 horses for the first 1500 rpm.

Perhaps you have only seen the VQ35DE engines dyno'd. I mentioned specifically the HR.......

Here is a dyno from a bone stock automatic (we all know autos lose more power).
http://my350z.com/forum/8201023-post20.html

6 speed.....
http://my350z.com/forum/vq35hr/373984-k-and-n-filter-results.html

There are others out there, 260 at the wheels stock is not out of line, especially if you get optimal conditions and not hot/humid air.

these 4.6L's have a TON of potential, and it is WAY more fullfilling to take somthing that few people have and then destroy other popular already fast vehicles with them, that guy in the GTO that rocket92 raced probably went home cryin to the ford gods! your only looking at horse power, your forgetting the HUGE torque ability...horse power sells cars, torque wins races. these trucks may only put 200 horses down, but the almost 280 ft/lbs of torque is what intrests me.

First of all, horsepower wins races too. Torque is great for launching, but you need power up top once the car is rolling.

These rigs dash to 60 in less than 7 seconds with just bolt ons. if i dropped a blower on mine i could easily break into the 6 seconds. with heads and cams, probably into the 5 seconds. THAT says potential.

Define bolt on. The V8 runs 8+ seconds to 60mph stock. You really think you are knocking almost 2 seconds from the 0-60 time with intake, headers, exhaust and maybe a tune?

Once you go beyond that, think of the money you're spending. Now you have to think about cams, head work, pistons, forced induction, rings, cranks, etc. And once you do go the forced induction route, you need to build the engine up a bit for reliability.

Meanwhile, with the money spent on doing all that, you could have had a SRT10 Ram, SRT8 Jeep, a F150 Lightning, etc. Something that is meant to be performance oriented.

Just in case, here is some references for the 0 to 60 times on an 04 V8......

http://www.explorerforum.com/ntrprize/spec2004.htm

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2004-ford-explorer-1.htm

And a 2006........
http://www.insideline.com/ford/explorer/2006/full-test-2006-ford-explorer-limited.html

I can post more, but you get my point.

Again, I am not attacking your hobby or anything. I know the fun involved in taking something that isn't fast and making it fast. I am just saying that some of the math being done and some of the "kills" sound off.

Perhaps you did beat a 2000+ Mustang GT, but in reality you beat the driver. Both drivers being equal, a 2001 GT will beat a bolt on V8 Explorer.

A 2001 GT runs 0-60 around 6 seconds or less, depending on the driver. A 2004 V8 Explorer runs it around 8.5+ seconds (driver doesn't matter much in an auto). So even with a few bolt ons, you still have to hope the guy in the Mustang can't shift.

 

[zerodevil]

this is my rig bud, BOLT ons. headers, tune, pullies, igniton, manifold, intake. i have less than 2 grand in engine performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfsG-_hAA0I 6.6 seconds, time from windows media player. rocket ran his v8 with a KB supercharger for almost a year and didnt have any problems. at almost 400 horses to the rear wheels. same with the drive line. I only have 15 grand into my truck for EVERYTHING, by the time i put a blower, short block, built trans, cams, and heads into her... id have less than 30... and it would be practicaly new, and daily driver capable at 400 rwhp, up-tunable to over 650 with not much difficulty (pully swap, tune change). I think your on the easy road, you couldnt touch an SRT ANYTHING for close to 30 grand right now, you couldnt touch an TBSS For less than 40, and lightnings at this point are at least 5 years old and most have been driven to the extream... i dont get why you think this vehicle isnt a wise choice for a sport truck? Ford themselfs were going to put a track pack on the adrenalines.

Limited, i emailed bigblock, i may go ahead and do a 5.4L swap... just for ***** in giggles in a few months to a year go with those trick flow heads lol.

 

[illjim69]

this is my rig bud, BOLT ons. headers, tune, pullies, igniton, manifold, intake. i have less than 2 grand in engine performance.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfsG-_hAA0I 6.6 seconds, time from windows media player.

Not the most accurate way of timing it, but still slower than a stock Mustang GT, so thanks for proving my point. You beat the driver.

rocket ran his v8 with a KB supercharger for almost a year and didnt have any problems. at almost 400 horses to the rear wheels. same with the drive line.

Are we talking about the guy who raced the GTO?

Well of course he had no problems, he has a fully built engine.

I only have 15 grand into my truck for EVERYTHING, by the time i put a blower, short block, built trans, cams, and heads into her... id have less than 30... and it would be practicaly new, and daily driver capable at 400 rwhp, up-tunable to over 650 with not much difficulty (pully swap, tune change).

Well you can't do it like that. If we are just talking about buying something used and making it fast, there are WAY too many cars and trucks out there that will smoke almost anything on the road. I have seen all sorts of crazy stuff.......there is a dude who put a 351 in a Focus. Bet it cost less than 15 grand for everything.

I think your on the easy road, you couldnt touch an SRT ANYTHING for close to 30 grand right now, you couldnt touch an TBSS For less than 40, and lightnings at this point are at least 5 years old and most have been driven to the extream...

Oh yeah?

Odd, there are a few for less than 30 grand.....

http://www.internetautoguide.com/usedcars/24-int/jeep/grand-cherokee/srt8/index.html

Uh oh.....another miscalculation.....

http://www.internetautoguide.com/usedcars/24-int/chevrolet/trailblazer/ss/index.html

And who cares if the Lightning is 5 years old.......so is your Explorer.

i dont get why you think this vehicle isnt a wise choice for a sport truck? Ford themselfs were going to put a track pack on the adrenalines.

But they didn't. I don't think it's a great vehicle to start with because I drive one, although it isn't a V8. It handles like crap, it is heavy (granted, it is a SUV), the steering sucks, you feel totally detached from the road......I don't see why YOU think it is a great starting point when there are better options out there.

It is one thing to be passionate about the vehicle you own and it is quite another to be insane. You can make anything fast with money, but in the end, is it worth it? It is a personal choice I suppose.

EDIT - For the record, I am not trying to be a jerk. I just enjoy a good internet debate from time to time.

 

[Rofocowboy84]

I've killed a bunch, but the only one I can remember off the top of my head is my brother's '04 Acura TL, at two lights in a row. The first was pretty much a gimme, he was still revving it in neutral when the light turned green. I was actually pleasantly surprised when I beat him at the second light, which he was actually ready for. I really don't know how I did it, it wasn't even that long ago, and my X has been feeling pretty sluggish recently. I guess when the pedal's to the floor it seems to forget that it needs new bearings and a new tranny, lol...

 

[Rofocowboy84]

Meanwhile, with the money spent on doing all that, you could have had a SRT10 Ram, SRT8 Jeep, a F150 Lightning, etc. Something that is meant to be performance oriented.

Okay, but we don't want any of those, at least I don't. I love my X, so why is it so unimaginable that I'd want to add to it?