water for gas

[BrooklynBay]

Where did you connect the output hose from the hydrogen generator? Was it connected to a tee on a vacuum line?

 

[gijoecam]

I'm confused: Is the setup generating steam, or is it actually electrolyzing the water into hydrogen and oxygen?

Running a car on hydrogen and oxygen is nothing new... Ford has been doing it for years. There are fleets in the Detroit area (MichCon/DTE Energy, Airlines Parking, the airport shuttle vans, and MTS Delivery to name a few...). However, the volume of hydrogen and the precise balance of oxygen needed to ensure a stoichiometric burn ratio takes way more than a beaker of water under the hood.

Also, what happens if the engine hiccups and back-fires? Anyone ever heard of the Hindenburg? Thanks, but I'll be happy to keep the free hydrogen out from under my hood. A dead battery gives off enough hydrogen to cause an explosion in and of itself. I don't need any more.

-Joe

 

[mawrazen]

There is a bubbler to prevent backfires. There is even a flame arrestor I saw on Ebay. No I didn't buy it.

It only makes stream if you let the eloctrolyte get too hot. Thats why I have fans and a CAI blowing onto the system.

? If steam does make into the vacuum tree, what harm could it do?

 

[gijoecam]

I'm still not clear on it... is it vaporizing the water (either by turning it to steam, or by resonating it into a fog) or is it breaking the water down into hydrogen and oxygen gas?

If it's breaking it down into hydrogen and oxygen using DC current to crack the atomic bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen, that's electrolysis. If it's generating a fog by resonance, boiling water, or some other method, then all you're doing is injecting water (specifically, water vapor) into the intake.

Water-injection is nothing new either... They used it on airplane engines beginning back in WWI. Most passenger cars that use it have gone to methanol injection because it cools the intake charge, provides oxygen (allows you to enrich the mixture even further) and methanol doesn't freeze like water.

 

[L4CX]

It's Electrolosis. It breaks the Water up and produces hydrogen. If it wasn't so cold, I'd probably have one working in my 2nd gen. From what I've been told the Bubbler Eliminates any extra Hydrogen Buildup. So, if it did back fire the fire would go into the Bubbler and then be put out by the water in the bubbler. That's why it's important to have as little open air in the bubbler. It's interesting and I can't wait to get back at it intill it warms up.

 

[96XLTRanger]

Hmm how would we use water for fuel then when its below 32 degrees?

 

[joefnh]

Generally speaking you would use use an electrolyte when performing electrolysis with water. The most common substances would be sodium chloride (salt) or potassium hydroxide (draino), both of these would lower the freezing point of water significantly. Overall I would imagine that you would start to run into problems with freezing somewhere below ~ 11F depending on the amount of electrolyte used in solution.

I am curious if anyone using this method has produced any measurable - repeatable mileage gains.

--Joe

 

[96XLTRanger]

forget about mileage gains. We need to figure out a way to make a system that produces hydrogen on demand and run only on HHO.

I've read more reviews of people getting less mileage with a system because the computer richens the lean condition that it senses from the efficiency of the HHO.

Propane carbs can be converted to inject hydrogen.

 

[96XLTRanger]

Even if we could only get 10 miles per gallon on water, it would still be better than 30 miles per gallon of gas because it's a more efficient fuel (no exhaust, engine performs better and lasts longer) Propane conversions on 22R engines make them last twice as long mileage wise.

 

[joefnh]

The best way to use hydrogen would be as supplement to gas. As far as on demand, I have already worked up a fairly simple circuit that uses the engine RPM to call for hydrogen. Most of the plans for the simple generators are not to store hydrogen, but to produce at some rate controlled by the incoming voltage level.

The actual amount of hydrogen that would exist at any one time in a tube or small container would only be ~ 5 - 10 cubic inches.

--Joe

 

[SwaintaN]

mattferkey i have one of these hydrogen generators that i hooked up to my 2.0 4cyl mitsubishi.. and i ran some tests. I started the car and let it warm up then i pulled the fuel pump fuse... the car ran for about 3 seconds. then i energised the hydrogen generator and fired up the car and pulled the fuse... it ran for over 20 seconds. somthing is telling me that this works... if only there was room under the hood on my x


You got to remember though, there is 100s of ways of building these now. There is the water4gas (kit i use), Drive your car on water, which is actually the kit that is pictured in this thread, and Water Technology. These are the three major groups who make them, then there is mods off of theirs, like what i do, but there is deff smaller with same specs, and iv seen recently here in town, a man who combine all three, gave him same results, but less up keep.