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What's Behind Right Rear Cargo Panel?

J_C

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1998 XLT 4WD 4.0L SOHC
I was working under my '98 yesterday and unfortunately had a big chunk of underbody come off between the right rear wheel and bumper. Guess I ought to seal that back up but the curious thing is, peering in the hole I can see some electronic box and I don't recall anything that was supposed to be in there. This vehicle does not have the premium audio, no sub or amp should be there but that's the area where this box is.

Any idea what this is?

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It's the government maaan:fart:
 






this may help if you dont have it

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That's a good question. Mine have all had the sub, so I don't know what would be placed there without the sub box there. The amp is mounted to the sub box, and is located about there above the wheel, on the inner side, visible when the trim is removed.

I would just fill the hole properly, which should mean removing the large trim piece. I'd kill the rust there above and below, and find metal that covers the hole well. Ultra Black RTV will hold the best, and rubberized undercoat is great for preventing future rust.
 






Like @CDW6212R all my Expl's have had the Amp and sub woofer in that location, so I can't understand why anything would be there if you don't have that option. I wonder it maybe at one point the truck was sold by a "buy here/pay here" car lot that puts trackers in the cars they sell so they can deactivate/locate the vehicle if the buyer doesn't pay.., ??? The wiring looks factory though.
 






That looks like a factor amp to me. My 1994 didn't have premium sound system and it had a amp that looked like that one in that location. You can view that much easier from the inside. Its not hard to remove the panel.
 






It was never at any buy here/pay here place. I'll pull that panel off when I get a chance but for now it looks a lot like the amp in this picture below (which is not my vehicle), as if the factory made a mistake and put an amp in, then realized it didn't get the premium audio and just left the amp in but proceeded to put the non-subwoofer plain panel over it.

Maybe it's not a mistake but I wasn't aware of any iterations of our sound systems that had a separate amp without a subwoofer or CD changer. It does have the center console, 2nd row (seat) audio panel but nothing else besides a basic head unit with a single CD player in it. The VIN lookup reads "Elect Prem AM/FM Stro/Disc/Clock".

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It was never at any buy here/pay here place. I'll pull that panel off when I get a chance but for now it looks a lot like the amp in this picture below (which is not my vehicle), as if the factory made a mistake and put an amp in, then realized it didn't get the premium audio and just left the amp in but proceeded to put the non-subwoofer plain panel over it.

Maybe it's not a mistake but I wasn't aware of any iterations of our sound systems that had a separate amp without a subwoofer or CD changer. It does have the center console, 2nd row (seat) audio panel but nothing else besides a basic head unit with a single CD player in it. The VIN lookup reads "Elect Prem AM/FM Stro/Disc/Clock".

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There were two premium radios in 98-01's, both made by Pioneer, and both have the "RDS" button on them, instead of "CLOCK." The one without the sub is called Premium(the Mach has a sub)and it might have a separate amp. That would go back there in the right quarter panel, since there's no other space for it. Plus the fact it requires a separate wiring harness for the amps, which leads from the right kick panel, back to the amp.
 






^ My radio has "CLK" not "RDS". This is what led me to believe all along that I had the base radio, not premium. This is my head unit, the original factory radio:

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It is still possible that there was an amp for other radios. The forum has a lot of postings about problems, but not much about stuff that is reliable or has no issues etc. The Mach radio and Premium are great when they work, but everyone knows about the display issue, which was a defect in all of them.

Of my two 98 Limited's, one had the Mach replaced with another similar Ford radio(no RDS), and my latest has no display on the original Mach. It's an adventure.
 






Yeah, it's a Mach 460 amp, reads F4ZF-18A965-AA stamped into the case and F57F-18T806-AB on a sticker on it. It is wired in, have to assume being used.

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My hole seems to be growing as I pick at it.

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That there is called: "the million dollar hole" (Barry Seal 1985)
 






I had the same hole . couldn't figure out why my radio would make loud poping and static if I drove through water. got a junk yard amp and patched the hole. all good now.
 






I have no audio issues, may have caught it early on. I'm tempted to pull the amp and do *upgrades* to it... then again it's a 22 year old vehicle, seems late in the game to bother but I probably already have some useful parts to do so.
 






Nice work on the tech pix, J_C...From my broad experience, I'll narrow it to my best two guesses. It's either a stray Solid Rocket Booster jettison control module (the ULTIMATE sub-woofer system), or some sort of mid-model stereo up-grade, both lending themselves to the single-DIN chassis mount style.

By the time the '05 iteration rolled-out, the Ford Lords Of Excess had discovered this vast unexploited void of opportunity in the rt/rear wheel well, where you could stuff modules for security options, trailer "interface" co-processors, and suspension optimization. All of which I have lived merrily without, and the latter being infamous for leaving you a permanent "Low-Rider", should your friendly tow-truck driver not know about the hidden switch.

Okay, 'Nuff said about my Luddite paranoia...If the tunes sound okay as-is, it might be best not to risk invoking the wrath of those spirits that keep such things balanced. If you really want to move to the next audio level, there are several members aboard that have access to detailed schematics (and know how to use them). Even if you hand-off the job to an installer, if you ID the component (part #), and can show them a pin-out diagram source, you'll make new friends. At its most simple, a pin-out will look like "Dome Light 04, Pin 01 (red) +12V, Pin 02 (blk) -12V".

As you might guess, this component has several more plugs, and a whole buncha' more pins. Once you can determine this bunch goes to the head-unit, these must go to the speakers, and maybe these go to headphone ports. You can use something as simple as the headphone jack on an old clock radio for a signal source, and ring-out the speaker leads from this point. Multi-Gen 'Splorers are known for fatigue-failure wiring probs at the door hinges (p/windows, locks, sprkrs, etc.) I've got this thread tagged, so jump in, and I'll try to stay in touch....
 






Looks like the OEM amp in my 96...

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