Where are all the FAST Naturally Aspirated 5.0's ??

[expo5.0]

well, the 16.3 is possible, but no way a chip and intake dropped your time .7 seconds.

only way it would have been possible is if the day you went the first time was very warm and humid and the other day was ideal, however then i call bs about the 16.3s in that case.

 

[frickea86]

y would u be sorry to have a 4.0, i love mine, i can say mine gets up and goes faster then an N/A 5.0. I WEAR THE 4.0 BADGE WITH PRIDE...

 

[explodr04]

well here is the time slip. this one is september 13, 2002. R/T 1.252, 60' 2.461, 330' 6.903, 1/8 10.531, MPH 68.09, 1000 13.659, 1/4 16.301, MPH 85.34

now this is march 21, 2004
R/T .079, 60' 2.244, 330' 6.535, 1/8 10.064, MPH 69.57, 1000 13.121, 1/4 15.699, MPH 87.48

 

[explodr04]

well here is the time slip. this one is september 13, 2002.
R/T 1.252, 60' 2.461, 330' 6.903, 1/8 10.531, MPH 68.09, 1000 13.659, 1/4 16.301, MPH 85.34

now this is march 21, 2004
R/T .079, 60' 2.244, 330' 6.535, 1/8 10.064, MPH 69.57, 1000 13.121, 1/4 15.699, MPH 87.48

now this is with a 4.0 stock with a apten and droped k&n
im not sorry that im a 4.0. i was saying i was sorry that i didn't mention i was a 4.0.

 

[frickea86]

oh, lol, sorry...miss read it..thankx for makin that clear.

 

[rocket 5979]

Sorry but fact of life and engines is that it will take alooooooot more money to put up the power that a 5.0 explorer does from a 4.0 N/A explorer engine. No quips or qhalms about it. And I also got to agree with Drew on the calling BS. Most of the 4.0 guys with some of the bolt ons you have, plus more have ran about maybe low 16's in the 1/4 mile. But no way a stocker would do that, unless it was a freak of car nature. And even if that was possible, you sure as heck would not drop close to a second off of your ET by just an intake and a chip. Hell if I did that then I should be seeing mid-low 14's in the 1/4 with my truck!!! Unless this 4.0 is in a ranger and not an explorer then I dont see it doing those numbers. If ya look around you will see that it is alooooot more expensive to mod a 4.0 to the same power levels as a 5.0, Another thing you all seem to get stuck on is the horsepower thing. Sorry but though that does count with sports cars. Torque is where it counts when you are moving the better part of a half ton down the dragway. And where as the 5.0 has close to 300 fwtq the 4.0 SOHC only has about 250 or 260? Somewhere thereabouts. Now you got to realize that I am not nocking the 4.0 crowd, but ya better get your ducks in a row before you start saying as big an assumption as "it takes more to push a 5.0 then a 4.0" or " and it would be easier to do it in the 4.0". Because all thing being equal like the weight of the truck , which it is and weight of the engine is of minimal difference. So all we got to go on is the hp and tq that the engine puts out. Which stock for stock the 5.0 has the 4.0 by quite a bit. And when you start modding the V-8 just pulls away leaps and bounds from there. Just stating the facts, not really an opinion anymore since most of us guys on here have known for quite some time specifically how and for how much it takes to mod both a 5.0 and 4.0 explorer engine. And what results and ET's to expect out of it all.

 

[frickea86]

yea it theres a big difference between the 4.0 and 5.0, not just liters, it has two more pistions...lol....but ur absolutly right rocket. but to bring the 4.0 back up, its the faster stock engine in the x's and thats N/A, and the 5.0 deff leaps forward when u do some bolt ons. An those numbers just to seem like they float in my boat. Hmm...god dang is it hard to move 2 tons of steel...lol...but Troll does it nicely...

 

[Tommy98016]

y would u be sorry to have a 4.0, i love mine, i can say mine gets up and goes faster then an N/A 5.0. I WEAR THE 4.0 BADGE WITH PRIDE...

who is driving the 5.0 ?

Ms. Daisy

 

[frickea86]

who is driving the 5.0 ?

Ms. Daisy

no, i've seen specs on that, the quarter miles faster, not that i'm saying with a load or anything u will get the same results. i would like to see others or different specs saying different.

 

[explodr04]

im not trying to say that 4.0 are easier to mod than a 5.0 or say its faster. im just saying that yall should be pulling more numbers than that. i wish there was someone here in the dfw area so that they could see in person and tell yall that all i have.

 

[frickea86]

who is driving the 5.0 ?

Ms. Daisy

hey guy, here i found alot of posts in this thread that say i'm not talking out my butt...lol...http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76898&highlight=SOHC+1/4+times

but this is the post i like...

Several magazines have recorded times that were approximately 1/2 second quicker in the 1/4 mile for a 4-door 2WD SOHC Explorer versus a 4-door V8 2WD Explorer. Stock for stock, everything else being as equal as possible the SOHC will edge out the V8 in the 1/4. It is a combination of the 5-speed auto and high revving motor that does it. The 5-speed auto helps the SOHC keep up at the lower speeds and the high revving helps it to walk away in the upper speeds. When it comes to modifications, the V8 can be easily made to go much faster than the SOHC.

When it comes to 4 wheeling and needing low end grunt, the SOHC with a low range transfer case will have much more useable torque than the V8. Using a '97 as an example: Put the SOHC in 1st gear low and run it at 3000 RPM. You'll have 250 ft/lbs of torque available at about 12 MPH. Now running the same speed in the V8, you'll be turning about 1300 RPM. The V8 torque peak (in '97) is 274 ft/lbs at 3200 RPM. You'll have a lot less than that at barely off idle.

Both engine choices have their advantages and both have thier disadvantages. If you stick to paved roads and boat ramps the V8 is the better choice. People have been pulling boats up concrete boat ramps with 2WD cars and trucks for years and they don't have a low range either. If you want to launch your boat from a sandy beach or be able to tackle rougher terrain than you can in the V8 (or at least make it easier) then the SOHC with the 2-speed transfer case is the better choice.

 

[frickea86]

not much, but faster...but ur right man, the 5.0s can be modded out the a**...perfectly said.

 

[Tommy98016]

hey guy, here i found alot of posts in this thread that say i'm not talking out my butt...lol...http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76898&highlight=SOHC+1/4+times

but this is the post i like...

I have owned two 4.0 X's (91 & 95) and one 5.0 (98) and no way would the 4.0 keep up.

 

[frickea86]

I have owned two 4.0 X's (91 & 95) and one 5.0 (98) and no way would the 4.0 keep up.

have u ever drivin an 4.0, don't put it down, u never know. i think mine has a close amount of pick up as my friends 02 V8, but the rpms are different and it sounds much nicer. i'm not gona argue with u because i've never seen it in person and there is no reason to, i backed up my statement an i'm good. so hows the x running tommy?

 

[5.0Dad]

explodr04

im just saying that yall should be pulling more numbers than that

Our big problem is that we can do a ton of stuff to the intake, fuel and cumbustion side of things and the can't improve the exhaust. It's the achilles heal.

The biggest thing TROLL's got on everyone (besides money) imho is the custom long tube headers.

 

[WreckedX]

This Is My Question

Why N/A when boost is so much fun!!!!

Im currently in the process of beginning a buildup of about a 600 RWHP mill for my x-sport, and its definitely gonna be mas boosted (mmmmmm intercooled procharger).
But also along with this its getting a a four linked narrowed and tubbed rear, 10 pt cage.
Lets face it its not cheap to make an X go fast but damn is it fun.

 

[expo5.0]

at roughly 5,000 weight i smoked my cousins 4.0 sohc 2000 sport 5 times in a row tonight. no way a 4 door would be as fast as his 2 door, and no way his was within .5 seconds in the quarter of me, and no way mine is running less than a 16.0 1/4 at that weight

 

[frickea86]

at roughly 5,000 weight i smoked my cousins 4.0 sohc 2000 sport 5 times in a row tonight. no way a 4 door would be as fast as his 2 door, and no way his was within .5 seconds in the quarter of me, and no way mine is running less than a 16.0 1/4 at that weight

well thats not an accurate test, because they are not the same exact set up....nor are they stockers...so that really doesn't prove much, anyone knows that a 5.0 with a few mods to it will rip the 4.0 apart.

 

[rocket 5979]

You guys are getting your wires crossed. You are saying that the 4door 4.0 SOHC is just as fast if not a little faster than the 4door 5.0 explorer. Sorry but that is not accurate. However the 4.0 SOHC 2 door sports will keep up with a 4 door 5.0 explorer. And just to let you know, those magazines are for crap. I trust my real world non-litigated experience over those idiots. I mean come on!! Alot of those friggin morons rated the 03 Cobra in stock form as capacble of a best ET of mid-high 13's. When they easily bust 12's in stock form. Heck the new gen GT's have busted into the high 13's now, so why are those idiots rating a car with well over 100 rwhp more as only capable of going the same ET??? My point being,......dont ever magazine race. Cause they always give some very funky numbers. I have raced a few 4.0 sports and some 4.0 SOHC 4 doors when I had my 5.0 explorer(when it was stock). And I must say that I killed them off the line. Then I pulled away from there till right when I shifted they gained a little ground back because they rev higher and longer till they shift but still he wasnt passing anytime soon. He was sliding away from my rear door pretty quickly. And once I actually hit second gear I was gaining even further ahead of him. The 4 door race wasnt really that close. But the sport race was pretty close. And I made sure they both were the SOHC 4.0 and not the OHV 4.0 which is a big difference. The sport races I had, started out with me pulling about a bumper off the line, then he would ease ahead a little in front of me by about two bumpers, then by the time I hit about 3000 rpms I would gain it back and slowly pass him till they were at my door, then the tranny would shift and I would lose a little and he would be almost even again, then once he shifted I would be right back ahead and then would be able to pull away a little bit before we shut down at 85-90. Only won by about a door length on the fellows with the sports. Bottom line is that the 4 door 4.0 SOHC guys werent even close, but the sports were. I figure a manual sport with a good driver should be able to keep up even if not maybe even get me a few times in the 1/4 mile. I have alot more experience than most when it comes to racing and knowing the real world of cars and what they can do and not doing the whole magazine racing thing.



Hey wreckedX tell me about your plans? About what time frame ya plan on getting on with this project? I take it that this will not be a daily driver??? lol. With the plans listed in my signature I will be able to put down a very respectable amount of power to the wheels and still stay a little streetable. But that KB will surely be able to let me launch like a rocket off the line. hehe. Great for a streetruck/ weekend dragracer like what my plans are. What engine setup you going with? Better be a pretty decent engine setup if your only going with a prochager, unless it is a D-1SC or something. lol. Not saying procharger is bad cause they rule, but unless a person is running a stroker or a badass setup they usually dont see those numbers unless they have a turbo stuffed in there somewhere. Just let me know what ur plans are, I am interested in this. Very few sport guys are seriously modding their trucks which is a shame because they got all the weight advantage.

 

[rocket 5979]

Why N/A when boost is so much fun!!!!

Oh by the way....................Amen.