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Lefty2053

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1997 Explorer 5.0
OK so I left the gate up and was baking into my car port when I hit the corner of it on a beam. Long story short with a little beating here and there and pushing here and there it does shut but the Door ajar light comes on and it won't go out unless I am driving it. Lights go out, but adjar light is still on. SO I went out and tried to adjust it with the hinge bolts. Big mistake, I had to stand on the top of it while my wife opened it. OK so I got it back to where it was before, and the whole gate is sitting up too high, and I am sure water will get in there. What adjustment can I make, or am I SOL? I can live with it this way until I am out somewhere, and it rains hard. Other than that, I put it in a car port. Any help is greatly appreciated. I already went through Youtube and found nothing on this year vehicle.
 



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Check the hinges carefully, see if you can tell if they are damaged, loose or bent at all. The hinges were still available the last time I looked, but they should last ages unless some rust eats at the hinge pieces, or it gets bent. There isn't a lot of adjustment built in, I've only adjusted one and it took some force to both bend the hinges slightly(to bring hatch down), and pounding on the top edge to also bring that down. I was fortunate that it was close to begin with, a 93 hatch onto a new left quarter panel welded in. I got it adjusted just enough to be very good fitting.
 






Check the hinges carefully, see if you can tell if they are damaged, loose or bent at all. The hinges were still available the last time I looked, but they should last ages unless some rust eats at the hinge pieces, or it gets bent. There isn't a lot of adjustment built in, I've only adjusted one and it took some force to both bend the hinges slightly(to bring hatch down), and pounding on the top edge to also bring that down. I was fortunate that it was close to begin with, a 93 hatch onto a new left quarter panel welded in. I got it adjusted just enough to be very good fitting.
That was the first thing I did is look carefully at those hinges. They look fine and there wasn't any new metal showing where they are bolted on at. IN order to get it back to be able to shut I had to use my 4' crowbar and pry back on that area then tighten the bolts back up. WHen I get up on the back bumper I can see that it looks like the hinges show go back the other way but that binds the gate on the top of the car.
 






I haven't read of anyone being able to adjust the hatch hinges much at all. I was frustrated that mine were off a bit after replacing the one quarter, but I was able to move the hinges a hair to get it lined back up.

So I'd bet that most issues will be from something bent or worn, and to fix it is about either new hinges and hope they are closer, or making the old ones work. I had thought of making the hinge holes bigger, but didn't quite need that happily.
 






on mine the spot welds are bad, so it flexes and now the hatch is misaligned. next time you open it, check to make sure its not flexing. have to slam it to be shut
 






I haven't read of anyone being able to adjust the hatch hinges much at all. I was frustrated that mine were off a bit after replacing the one quarter, but I was able to move the hinges a hair to get it lined back up.

So I'd bet that most issues will be from something bent or worn, and to fix it is about either new hinges and hope they are closer, or making the old ones work. I had thought of making the hinge holes bigger, but didn't quite need that happily.
I am starting to think it isn't going to get any better. I can live with it, and it does look like the rubber is sealing pretty good. The gate is opening and shutting much better than it did when I first bent the door. The only big problem is I have to disconnect the battery or the lights inside and the driver's mirror stay lite. I looked in the book and can't find anything about a fuse for the lift gate now Door ajar light.
 






heres a few pics where you can see the hatch gap, its obvious in person. you can see how it no longer fully lines up w/the body and theres a gap

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My hatch its self was bent years of opening it caused it
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Bent it back and welded the cracking spot welds
 












yeah mine is pretty similiar in that way, it flexes under load. its on the backburner for some day...
Trust me just go buy one from the junkyard way easier
 






Trust me just go buy one from the junkyard way easier
yeah i stole on off a 99, its in the backyard 😅 paint is apider webbing so procrastinating on painting it. aslo i see evidence of some filler/bondo work... want to look more into that.
 












That is what mine looks like. Same thing.
yeah on mine its the spot weld failing it flexes. easiest solution is what donald mentioned new hatch. guess you could cut out that section and rewrld but imo hust get a JY hatch
 






You can probably disconnect the door ajar sensors from the tailgate… there is one on each side latch, and one for the rear window glass. Disabling the side latch sensors would probably solve the door ajar issue. I believe you would have to pigtail the sensor wires to disable the door ajar function. i do not recall ever being able to do this simply with a fuse removal.

I agree with @donalds that the best solution here is to obtain a salvage hatch. The problem is the spot welds are broken, and the interior sheet metal that supports the hinges is almost surely bent. Getting your existing hatch to ever fit properly again will be quite difficult. it is difficult to discern the bending and damage, bit the hinges (in my experience) are not likely to be the issue.

My original hatch rusted from the inside, then snagged the truck upper roof line and was bent like yours. I tried to have a welder fix it, but the welder did not really put much effort or attention into the project, and it failed. Next, I got a salvage hatch that lacked structural integrity and was really no better. A lot of hatch work. Finally, I found a solid hatch and resolved the issue.

If you get a salvage hatch from a different model or year, you may need to swap out the wiring harness to solve odd electrical issues. You may also have to swap out the rear wiper motor because of wiring connector differences.

If you get the salvage hatch, look very carefully for fitment and any rust issues near the hinges... Many salvage vehicles have hatches that are not structurally sound because of rust and/or impact. I installed a salvage hatch that looked great, but lacked structural integrity. It was almost the same problem as my damaged hatch.

Becareful with model year changes, as the license plate mount changes from either on the rear bumper or on the hatch, and this could will cause more issues also. Or look quite odd.

When you remove the hatch, use an extension painting pole for support, or better yet get a few strong friends. The 97 hatch seemed particularly heavy! I even gave a homeless man $20 and something to eat to help me hang one of the hatches. That was maybe a little dicey, but better than having my lady friend get hurt trying to help.

As I recall, the preferred method was to leave the hinges bolted on to the tailgate/hatch during the swap. Then focus on the hardware and fasteners from the hinges to the truck roof.

If your replacement hatch is structurally solid, you will be surprised at how easy it is to line up.

I no longer drive around with lumber or material extended out the back of the truck with the hatch tied down.

Anyway, good luck with this.
 






You can probably disconnect the door ajar sensors from the tailgate… there is one on each side latch, and one for the rear window glass. Disabling the side latch sensors would probably solve the door ajar issue. I believe you would have to pigtail the sensor wires to disable the door ajar function. i do not recall ever being able to do this simply with a fuse removal.

I agree with @donalds that the best solution here is to obtain a salvage hatch. The problem is the spot welds are broken, and the interior sheet metal that supports the hinges is almost surely bent. Getting your existing hatch to ever fit properly again will be quite difficult. it is difficult to discern the bending and damage, bit the hinges (in my experience) are not likely to be the issue.

My original hatch rusted from the inside, then snagged the truck upper roof line and was bent like yours. I tried to have a welder fix it, but the welder did not really put much effort or attention into the project, and it failed. Next, I got a salvage hatch that lacked structural integrity and was really no better. A lot of hatch work. Finally, I found a solid hatch and resolved the issue.

If you get a salvage hatch from a different model or year, you may need to swap out the wiring harness to solve odd electrical issues. You may also have to swap out the rear wiper motor because of wiring connector differences.

If you get the salvage hatch, look very carefully for fitment and any rust issues near the hinges... Many salvage vehicles have hatches that are not structurally sound because of rust and/or impact. I installed a salvage hatch that looked great, but lacked structural integrity. It was almost the same problem as my damaged hatch.

Becareful with model year changes, as the license plate mount changes from either on the rear bumper or on the hatch, and this could will cause more issues also. Or look quite odd.

When you remove the hatch, use an extension painting pole for support, or better yet get a few strong friends. The 97 hatch seemed particularly heavy! I even gave a homeless man $20 and something to eat to help me hang one of the hatches. That was maybe a little dicey, but better than having my lady friend get hurt trying to help.

As I recall, the preferred method was to leave the hinges bolted on to the tailgate/hatch during the swap. Then focus on the hardware and fasteners from the hinges to the truck roof.

If your replacement hatch is structurally solid, you will be surprised at how easy it is to line up.

I no longer drive around with lumber or material extended out the back of the truck with the hatch tied down.

Anyway, good luck with this.
Well-being 69 YO. I think I am better off not worrying about it. That is more work than I can handle for sure after having 10 Surgeries and 2 of which were on my back. As of now, it opens and shuts better than it has. I use this for a fishing vehicle and pull a small camper or boat. I will figure out something different to put my fishing gear in the back without opening that hatch.
 






Well-being 69 YO. I think I am better off not worrying about it. That is more work than I can handle for sure after having 10 Surgeries and 2 of which were on my back. As of now, it opens and shuts better than it has. I use this for a fishing vehicle and pull a small camper or boat. I will figure out something different to put my fishing gear in the back without opening that hatch.
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OK so I left the gate up and was baking into my car port when I hit the corner of it on a beam. Long story short with a little beating here and there and pushing here and there it does shut but the Door ajar light comes on and it won't go out unless I am driving it. Lights go out, but adjar light is still on. SO I went out and tried to adjust it with the hinge bolts. Big mistake, I had to stand on the top of it while my wife opened it. OK so I got it back to where it was before, and the whole gate is sitting up too high, and I am sure water will get in there. What adjustment can I make, or am I SOL? I can live with it this way until I am out somewhere, and it rains hard. Other than that, I put it in a car port. Any help is greatly appreciated. I already went through Youtube and found nothing on this year vehicle.
SO for you guys that have this problem and water gets in here is my fix. Pool noodle. Taped half of one on the top and now no visual air to be seen from inside. Before I was able to put my finger in between the top area. If it repels most of the water, I will be happy.
 






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