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1. There is no differential contained in any TC used by Ford. The ideal system has 3 differentials, the third is in the TC. This has been done by some, Subaru for one, I think. Very expensive.
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The Borg Warner BW4404 AWD system is a true central differential - with limited slip. So... it does two functions - transfer case and LS differential.

The other TC are just rigid couplings, controlled with electric motors, and clutches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_case
 



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Imp, one thing that is up in the air, does removing the front shaft increase fuel mileage? I have always thought no, and that removing it was ridiculous when you can just get a RWD Explorer.
 






Imp, one thing that is up in the air, does removing the front shaft increase fuel mileage? I have always thought no, and that removing it was ridiculous when you can just get a RWD Explorer.

In my own Explorer, which has 3 choices by switch: 4WD AUTO, 4WD HIGH, and 4WD LOW, the front driveshaft, front gears, and front axles must turn whenever the vehicle is moving. Removal of the front shaft, as I see it, would eliminate only the frictional losses and inertial effects due to the front U-joint, rear C-V joint, and the weight of the shaft and parts. If the difference in fuel consumption amounted to more than 1%, I would be surprised.

OTOH, the earlier Explorers like my '96, which had the vacuum-operated axle-disconnect which I THINK allowed the driveshaft (and consequently, the axleshafts, to "free-wheel", the axles still having to rotate whenever the vehicle was in motion. The switch to 4WD in the '96 was accomplished by energizing an "electronic clutch", which drove the front driveshaft, in both 4WD HIGH and 4WD LOW. The vacuum-disconnect threw in one more part which could cause loss of 4WD if it failed. Still, in 2WD, it likely saved again, my guess, less than 1% in fuel economy. My 2004 has essentially the same system, with the only difference being front/rear speed sensing to turn on the T.C. clutch automatically in 4X4 AUTO, that selector replacing 2WD in the '96.

Obviously, the best set-up would be locking hubs, which eliminate axle rotation altogether (AND driveshaft rotation). With manual hubs and manual T.C., one could engage 4WD HIGH or LOW, with hubs UNLOCKED, and drive was through rear wheels only. I did that now and then, in LOW, to achieve very slow speed, but not needing 4WD, for very short distance. When that was done, the front axle shafts turned within the unlocked hubs.

The AWD T.C. is actually a much simpler system than either of the above, having no gear choices, no switches, but rather a slippey-slidey viscous coupling driving the front wheels. The often-quoted "torque-split" between front-rear, sometimes quoted as 65% rear, 35% front, actually varies with the tractional difference between axles, but will never be 50/50, because the lesser torque delivered to front wheels is explained by heat generated within the viscous coupling. imp
 






The Borg Warner BW4404 AWD system is a true central differential - with limited slip. So... it does two functions - transfer case and LS differential.

The other TC are just rigid couplings, controlled with electric motors, and clutches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_case

Sorry, but the link is not specific to the Warner AWD TC. There is NO differential in the AWD TC used in Ford Explorers, so perhaps it is NOT a 4404. I'll post Ford's description and disassembled view later tonight. imp
 






B-w 4404 & 4411

BW4404
96 - 01 Ford Explorer
97 - 99 Mercury Mountaineer

Magnesium case, automatic full time, chain drive, 2.72 : 1

Automatic four wheel drive "torque on demand" system


BW4411
02 - 06 Ford Explorer, Mercury Mountaineer Automatic full time, electric shift,

2.48 : 1

Automatic four wheel drive "torque on demand" system, A4WD-4H-4L
 






I have been inside a half dozen of these, and at least two were AWD which as you know is much simpler both internally and externally. There is no center differential similar to an axle, I can confirm that. No clutches, no pump, no shift mechanism. Is it the VC that functions as a differential?
 












I have been inside a half dozen of these, and at least two were AWD which as you know is much simpler both internally and externally. There is no center differential similar to an axle, I can confirm that.
Here it is the pic of internal of the AWD with the planetary gears (characteristic for any differential mechanism):

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Differentials can look different, what matters is the function they do. The front and rear ones direct the rotation at +90 and -90 (270) degrees, the central one is doing 0 and 180 degrees (so this one doesn't need to have conic/bevel gears).
Read more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_(mechanical_device)#Epicyclic_differential
 






Nic so it's the planetaries that make the magic happen?
 






Lmao!
 






I did the 4406 and manual hubs on a 99 mountaineer and on hwy it gets 22 MPG and on a perfect day the MPG will flicker between 23/24 MPG, I started with 17/18 MPG, this guy will argue with you and try to convince you your an idiot and he's some sort of scientist for as long as you play along, he argues with everyone on here he can, :crazy::banghead:

You do realize that the 2WD model from the factory was only 1 MPG better than the AWD version? How would a 4406 gain you 6 MPG?
 






On hwy not combined, its still a pig around town but it dose steer alot better in tight quarters,
 






Well, I'll be damned! The link provided explains how a planetary can split torque. Finally an explanation which seems plausible, almost: If the planetary can indeed "absorb" the difference in rotational speed between the front and rear drive shafts, why is a viscous coupling included in the mix? imp
 






Love this thread!
 






Well, I'll be damned! The link provided explains how a planetary can split torque. Finally an explanation which seems plausible, almost: If the planetary can indeed "absorb" the difference in rotational speed between the front and rear drive shafts, why is a viscous coupling included in the mix? imp

The viscous coupler is there to react to speed differences between the front and rear. In normal equal speed operation the fluid remains relatively cool and there is no resistance to front/back getting the same power. When the rpm's differ much, then the VC fights that. I've been told that it's similar to how a torque converter transmits power from parts that aren't actually "splined/tied" together. The heat does get hotter from that resistance, and with tires being sized different front to back, that ruins the VC quickly. That's the way it's been described to me.
 






That's exactly how it works. When the front axle (or rear) starts to slip, because of differential speeds, the LS fluid inside central VC heats up (takes couple of seconds) and 'soft' locks the axles. Now you can drive out of that slippery patch.
Same happens for the rear LS differential if one of the tires is on mud or ice.

The front is 'open', so like any 2wd car, if one wheel slips on ice, the other doesn't rotate. But because of the center diff LS, the rear wheels will still be functional.

Basically the AWD can move with only one rear wheel having 'grip'.
 






On hwy not combined, its still a pig around town but it dose steer alot better in tight quarters,

There's still no way you're gaining more than 1 MPG.

How could a 4406 net you more efficiency than a 2WD setup?
 






Well, I'll be damned! The link provided explains how a planetary can split torque. Finally an explanation which seems plausible, almost: If the planetary can indeed "absorb" the difference in rotational speed between the front and rear drive shafts, why is a viscous coupling included in the mix? imp

Without the VC, the 4404 would just be an open center differential. As soon as either axle lost traction, it would receive 100% of the engine output. Thus making the AWD function useless.

The VC is there to "lock" or semi-lock the axles together to prevent all of the available torque from being sent to the axle with no traction.
 



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There's still no way you're gaining more than 1 MPG.

How could a 4406 net you more efficiency than a 2WD setup?

Probably because you're basing this off his driving habits vs what Ford said the 2wd was. I bet if he drove a 2wd version he would net better than Ford shows it got on the highway.

My 99 gets a solid 17 mixed driving and will pull almost 20 when it's mostly highway. I hooked up an ultra gauge and it shows 22-23 while cruising and my truck is almost stock (CAI and side exit catback with all 4 cats still in place). So I can definitely see his findings being true after doing the drive train mods.
 






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