92 Rocker arm assembly

[acschilling]

What options are out there for rocker arm assemblies for a 92? I don't want to increase valve lift or anything just make the cold knocking go away. Deltacam seems like they put it most of it together for you already

 

[SuperKirby]

You can take a look at my recent thread. I'm getting ready to change head gaskets and decided i might as well replace a bunch of parts while I'm in there. I initially ordered the delta cam set. Was advised against running that. Too many problems. JD recommended sealed power rocker arms from advance auto. I spent a lot of time looking and can tell you that's the cheapest place to get them, plus order online and there's $40 off discount codes. For a set of 12 i spent 98 to my door and I'll just rebuild the assembly.That said, if i could have found a decent set already assembled i may have just spent the money on that.

 

[acschilling]

I read your thread! I am curious to hear how replacing the rockers went. I read they just slide off the shaft but do they reassemble that easy? Are they going to slide right where/how they need to go? I've never been this far into my Ex and am having a hard time picturing this stuff. Did you get 12 rockers and 12 pushrods? I'm hoping it's not the lifters knocking because I don't want to pull the heads.

 

[woknap]

Hi
I know just enough to be dangerous, but I just changed my rockers and pushrods on my 93 xlt, With the intake manifold pulled off already because I had a water leak.

I covered my center area so not to lose anything down into the cam area.
I loosened the three bolts holding down rocker assembly a little at a time and when ready, pulled assembly out with bolts. Rods pulled right out and I imagine lifters will slide up and out too because they are all three exposed when intake is off.

Anyway, on the assembly, I tapped the pins out on the ends, took off spring retainer and the rockers and coil springs slide off.
Trouble is the two "pedestals" on each end where bolts go through were stuck so I tapped them off to the nearest side. The metal is soft and the metal base will deform so use caution and protect the surface and inspect before reusing.

Then reassembled in reverse and torqued bolts properly making sure rods were positioned correctly under each rocker. Do not forget moly lubricant on all the surfaces for protection till oil flow is back.

Two mistakes I made(did gasket twice) were over torquing intake manifold bolt ( broke it) and not putting enough RTV on each end of the intake. The water seal at each corner needs rtv with the gasket and where the manifold meets the block needs RTV. The area at the block (in my very limited experience) needed a lot of RTV to close properly. My first attempt when I broke bolt; I removed intake and gasket and it looked like the rtv on the block was not touched by the intake....not really sure, but seemed that way. I ended up putting 3/16 of rtv on center area of both block and intake
to make sure there was enough and I waited 24 hours to make sure rtv cured before I subjected it to oil and water pressure

 

[Anime]

You can get the complete rocker assembly (rocker arms, shafts, springs, retainers, bolts, everything) from our Ford dealer forum vendors for about $80-90 each (need one for each side), and pushrods are about $5/ea.

I like the Ford parts since they are known quality and Made in Germany like the originals.

That said, getting a set of 12 Sealed Power rockers for slightly under $100 isn't bad if the savings make a difference. The rockers aren't too hard to take apart and put together, but you need to be careful when removing the retaining pins and springs at the ends so they don't get messed up.

I would avoid anything from Delta, they refurb/fill in used rockers, and thats just not an acceptable fix for these products, as the experience of other forum members has shown.

 

[SuperKirby]

I was hoping to get mine done this weekend but not all my parts are here yet. It will have to wait until my next days off. Really disappointed about that. I'll end up stressing about it all week now. I guess maybe will give me a chance to resolve any last questions - like where exactly are you applying rtv on the intake gasket, and which color do i want? I'm assuming blue?

 

[acschilling]

Anime, I've seen that statement about there being a ford vendor with the rocker assemblies several times...how do I get a hold of them. I wouldn't mind paying extra for some already assembled Deutsch parts.

 

[Anime]

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343697


www.LevittownFordSuperCenter.com - sales@LevittownFordSuperCenter.com - 877-460-9497


You can also PM member LevittownFordSuperCenter on the board with an inquiry for parts and prices.

 

[acschilling]

ARM ASY - VALVE ROCKER 12 REQUIRED Make: Ford | Part#: FOTZ6564A List Price: $33.90 Your Price: $22.78

ROD - VALVE PUSH Make: Ford | Part#: FOTZ6565A List Price: $7.06 Your Price: $4.36

Price is each.

Above is what their sales person sent me. I could have figured that on my own. This just seems like the individual rockers...

 

[acschilling]

Emailed them back asking if I could purchase 2 assemblies along with the 12 pushrods, this is what I got back:

Yes, they are sold separate and not as an entire assembly. The shafts and mounts are no longer available.

Is that it then? Gotta put it together myself? Just sounds like very little room for error

 

[Anime]

It seems the rocker shaft assembly is discontinued from the dealer.

Looks like in the future the only option for factory parts will be to buy the rocker arms seperately.

 

[vq5speed]

I bought my new set rocker arms on ebay for $99. shipped. I don't see the ones I bought few months ago available any more. But there is another seller selling a set of new Milling's rocker arms for $89.00 shipped on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Melling-MR9...Parts_Accessories&hash=item4d208dd0d7&vxp=mtr

 

[acschilling]

That looks like a deal! I'm about ready to call delta and order their set. I'm really trying to avoid taking apart and putting back together the rocker assemblies. My research on the OHV rockers shows more complications than not I think. Do intake and exhaust rockers look the same? Do they operate the same? The knock begins about 15 secs after start up then knocks in 30 sec intervals with 10-15 secs of "no knock" in-between, gradually quieting down till it warms up. Noticed my passenger exhaust manifold is probably loose because of the big plume of smoke on that side if the engine last time I seafoamed. Just thinking if it's the exhaust or intake rockers specifically??

 

[jd4242]

That looks like a deal! I'm about ready to call delta and order their set. I'm really trying to avoid taking apart and putting back together the rocker assemblies. My research on the OHV rockers shows more complications than not I think. Do intake and exhaust rockers look the same? Do they operate the same? The knock begins about 15 secs after start up then knocks in 30 sec intervals with 10-15 secs of "no knock" in-between, gradually quieting down till it warms up. Noticed my passenger exhaust manifold is probably loose because of the big plume of smoke on that side if the engine last time I seafoamed. Just thinking if it's the exhaust or intake rockers specifically??

That doesnt sound like rockers..sounds more like a sticky lifter..may wanna seafoam the oil or put a qt of trans fluid in and run it for awile..

Both intake and exhaust are the same rocker.I personally have used or seen the mellings rocker in person but they typically produce very good stuff.please post some pics if you do go with them..

 

[acschilling]

Interesting! (it knocks in consistent, rhythmic "loops" if you will, till it quietly disappears)...the last application of seafoam thru the BB made the knock go away for about three days; only to return. Think I should do more? Is there a point at which you can add too much seafoam to an engine?? I know additives can eventually begin affecting the spark plugs, and maybe plug a 23 yr old cat but is there anything else repeated seafoam applications will affect?

I see this thread on the home page with someone struggling with their 4.0 rocker arms (blue paint)...tis exactly what I'm afraid of - then putting it back together only to have to do it again.

 

[acschilling]

Definitely thinking its a sticky lifter. just to update: has had a cold knick going on two years. Goes away when warm; knocks lasts longer the older the oil. For anyone curious the only thing that has helped is Seafoam through a vacuum line. I've done both the BB and Evap to TB. Fill and change oil filter. Interestingly when doing the Seafoam I noticed quite a plume of smoke coming from the Passenger Manifold to Y-pipe connection (Two bolts have been backing themselves out over time). Passed emissions like this so you couldn't tell unless you knew what you were looking for. Took it to a mechanic who could get enough torque to tighten the inside bolt but the outside ended up being a little more stubborn so we left it and are going to monitor it and see if the tight side acts like a pivot and it starts working itself back in. Only charged me 20 bucks. Noticed about a 5% increase in low end response (nothing significant just felt "healthier" [we all really notice small differencesin our trucks]). Also going to monitor if it improves cold knock at all. Hope this is useful.