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Thanks Nate - I have a propane torch, but it is just a regular type you buy at Lowes - I am not knowledgeable with these devices. So this produces a hotter flame ? I have ordered this from Amazon.
 






Still need to find that fitting ...
 






If propane is what you have, try it. Its not as hot MAPP, but neither can really get metal red hot. If you know someone with an oxy acetylene torch, that is the best. The cutting torches usually have a couple knobs so you can focus the flame into a small area. Just don't hit the lever!
 






Thanks Nate - I have a propane torch, but it is just a regular type you buy at Lowes - I am not knowledgeable with these devices. So this produces a hotter flame ? I have ordered this from Amazon.

Short of a MAPP/Oxy or Oxy/Acetylene torch set, it's the hottest you'll find. It's got one helluva flame on it.

Bit of a rant...
I know a lot of people in the automotive & fabrication industries swear by Oxy/Acetylene setups but for a home wrencher, it's not worth it. Not only is it costly to get setup and refill (you NEED to buy quality equipment), it's significantly more dangerous than propane or MAPP gas. Acetylene is highly unstable and extremely flammable.

Having progressed from hand tools to a small pneumatic impact gun setup and getting a MAPP torch, if those two can't do it, the fastener will probably break and it's time to call a machine shop. I've helped work on a car from the rust belt, doing a brake job. Rust was just flaking and falling off, fasteners were stuck and the impact gun wouldn't touch it. All we had was a propane torch (the model lower than the one I linked to) and while it didn't get things cherry red, it got them hot enough that the fasteners came right out.

The science & math of it is beyond my pay grade but one inch of steel will expand 0.00000645 inches for every degree Fahrenheit increase in temperature. That's not a ton but when you consider a MAPP gas torch is putting out 3600 degrees of heat, that's going to warm a decent-sized piece of steel up quite a bit. Again, not cherry red but plenty hot to get some expansion/contraction.
 






Yep, oxy is a big investment, as is a mig welder. I wouldn't advise the average guy get either, but those two things are indispensable to vehicle repair. Plenty of people have a good torch, and are willing to borrow it to you. Try propane first.
 






Thanks for both your inputs - I have purchased that torch - but I bought it from Lowes for $50, it included the fuel. But, even if I get the fitting out, I doubt it will be any good. So, I have checked auto stores, Lowes, Tractor Supply, even a shop at a truck stop. That 22 x 1.5 flared fitting is hard to find. I'm going to try a shop that sells tractors and the Ford Dealer to see if they can help. Also will check local junk yards - only two here. I won't try any removal until I have that fitting in my hand.
 






Dealer has this fitting - coming in tomorrow - I'll update afterwards
 






Dealer had exact fitting. I removed the tire and was able to work thru the wheel well. I heated up the manifold bung with a propane torch, then using a 1" open end wrench and a small sledge hammer was able to slowly loosen the fitting from the manifold. The nut from the old tube and the fitting were fused together - so the whole fitting came out of the manifold and of course the tube sheared off behind the nut - that's ok - just a
2stroke mentioned. Then install new fitting and tube/valve.

Just a piece of advice for any attempting the installation of the new tube - the bends may not be have the exact same geometry, especially non-Motorcraft parts - so install your tube loosely at both ends - this part also came with a new EGR valve which was a pain to put in - unless the tube is loosely installed at both ends. Key point I found.


It was worth it - took roughly three hours. I appreciate all the feedback and help from everybody

John
 






What size wrench?

I am getting a code 332 (Insufficient EGR Flow). Not sure what's causing the problem yet (vacuum line, DPFE, EGR Valve, EGR Pipe, or EGR solenoid)!

What size wrench is needed to remove the upper and lower fittings on the EGR pipe? Is it 1"? Are both fittings the same size?
 






Wrench Size

What size wrench is needed to remove the upper and lower fittings on the EGR pipe? Is it 1"? Are both fittings the same size?
 






I would have to check - but I used both the 1" and the 1 1/16" wrenches. Both were needed. If it is really rusted then I would remove the complete assembly, ie, tube & valve - then use a vise and wrench to break the nut from the upper part of the tube from the valve. Besides, if the upper nut is really rusted - the valve could be in bad shape and you might want to replace that. I bought the whole assembly. Look at the link on the first page. That ebay vendor is out but A1 Auto sells these also.

http://www.1aauto.com/search?q=egr&year=1993&model=225
 






take out the drivers splash guard ...keep soaking it over days with pb blaster heat it up with a torch carefully have to have a big wrench and pipe for leverage ...slow rythmic motions breath breath
 






fender splash guard out big wrench keep soaking it with pb the top one is bad enough keep soaking them days pipe on wrench easy moves dont force or jerk slow slow heavy slow

get the box wrench skip the pipewrench and cressant
 






Since this thread comes up every now and then I'll elaborate on how I banged out the lower fitting on the EGR tube.

I was lucky in that my fitting was no where near as rusted as the one pictured earlier in this thread. In answer to mekelly's question, it appears to me that both fittings are 1 1/16" in size, although I was able to jam a 1" open ended wrench onto the manifold-side fitting. I didn't apply any torque to that, however, since I don't like forcing things. Instead I would recommend 1 1/16" open, unless rust has worn your fittings down to 1" over the years.

I was able to get the lower EGR tube fitting out as follows:
1. a single 1 1/16" open ended wrench
2. removed tire, went in thru wheel well. Did NOT have to remove splash shield (thankfully)
3. liquid wrench all over joint, multiple times, for a day or so prior to tackling
4. applied heat to the manifold (not to the fittings) using the same Benzo-Matic T8000 gun as mentioned earlier in this thread. You'll hear the metal manifold popping from expansion. That's good, it tells you you're doing what you aim to do (expand that metal).
5. allowed it to cool. More Liquid Wrench / PB Blaster / etc.
6. heat again with Benzo-Matic (heat cycling is good)
7. placed 1 1/16" open ended wrench on EGR tube fitting. Did not place anything at all on the manifold side fitting (lucky?)
8. took a large hammer, and hit the closed-end side of the wrench several times. I sensed slight movement. Did not have to use a cheater pipe.
9. You will not have much room to work with the wrench, so at this point you'll have hammered your wrench up to the fender. Remove wrench, re-align it to where you have room to hit the closed-end again, and repeat #8 above.
10. more movement! It's broken loose!

Now, I may have lucked out not having to hold the manifold-side fitting in place (I'm a little south of the rust belt). Once the tube-side fitting broke loose, the manifold-side fitting stayed in place. If it did come out, I would have simply threaded it back in, or, replaced it as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Finally, getting the tube OUT of the engine bay is no simple matter. Be aware of spark plug wires and other things as you remove it. I found it easiest to pull the tube up and out of the engine bay, rather than trying to pull it out from underneath the truck. Now that deserves a :roll: :chug: afterwards.

P.S. I second the advice earlier in the thread...AVOID Dorman EGR tubes. They're made of pot-metal and probably child labor. 1AAuto seems to be the best place to get a non-Dorman tube now, and they're a site sponsor last time I checked. Getting a Motorcraft-branded EGR tube is next-to-impossible where I am, but I'm all ears for suggestions as to sourcing one.
 






Rhett - That's exactly what I did except for the torch .. I used propane .. removed tire .. did not remove splash shield .. if you need more wrench movement you may have to ... but I was able to break it free ... hitting it with the wrench just like you said with a big hammer .. just keep working it until it comes out of the manifold. And you're right .. it will pay to buy the better tube so the geometry will fit.
 






I tried to get a Motorcraft tube, but I had no luck. The dealership claimed it is not made anymore (by Motorcraft) but I'm not sure.
 






FYI...and I didn't realize this until it arrived... the tube I got from 1AA is in fact a Dorman tube. It did not say that on the website, but I probably should have cross-referenced part numbers. So I may be doing this job again in a year or two. I did shoot it with some hi-temp paint but I have my doubts. Oh well.

Fitment was actually decent. I did leave the valve side fitting a little loose while I secured the bottom fitting. That way if I had to rotate the whole assembly a little I had some leeway.

The only part of my EGR system that I did not change, was the EGR solenoid. It seems like it would be fairly easy to get to, although if my CEL for insufficient EGR flow disappears (it has so far) I'm not going to bother.
 






Glad it fit up ok. I did not change my solenoid either .. and for the same reason. I did not paint the tube either - we'll see how it goes. Well, that is one job I was very happy to put behind me.
 



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No, this was not a job I enjoyed. Also, if you're getting an extremely loud, high-pitched tea-kettle screeching, it means the tube-to-EGR valve fitting is too loose. :)
 






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