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Best snow / winter tires for 2018 Sport??

Going back to the original question, the location is River Vale (New Jersey ?) which does not get very cold in winter, making all season tires more viable than in colder climates. True winter tires will still have an edge on ice or hard packed snow, but probably unnecessary on an AWD vehicle there. Still depends on where you drive, an icy bridge or steep road can make the difference as does whether you travel only plowed or salted roads. Around here that's more about work schedule, if you need to get to work before the plow and salt trucks have come through.
 



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Keep in mind that 3PMSF tires have a softer compound that under 40 F are softer and provide better stopping and steering contol than an all season tire. AWD does not help at all in stopping or cornering.
 






^ There are now multiple 3PMSF tires, including a few AT, that are all season. The main difference I've seen (besides differences you can't "see" like the rate of rubber compound hardening with temperature drop) is they have more siping than the non-3PMSF AT tires. They can't be much softer in warmer weather (like winter tires are) or else their treadwear would be much lower for all season use... unless they're just fudging the treadwear rating and hoping nobody notices.
 






Cooper now makes an AT3 Winter tire, it came on my last 98 Limited. They seem like good tires but they are no snow tire compared to high end choices.

I've used Blizzak's for about 15 years now, the last set I put on last February and let them wear out, they were over 10 years old. They were amazing in all conditions(not great for handling of course), and were vastly better than any all season or low level Winter tire. On pavement I wore those out in about three months, they were like new when I put them on because I've removed them after each snow every year. They were great in the rain and stopped very well, much safer in the rain.

But I needed to wear them out, the age told me it was time to change. I replaced those with a Nokian Hakkapeliitta 9 tire, a special studded SUV tire. I liked these last week when we had snow for Christmas, but the roads weren't hard packed or icy cold in many places. It wasn't a good test to say if these are any better than the Blizzak tires. I drove the Blizzak tires on full ice(hard packed for days roads(100+ yard sections that don't see any sun)), steep hills going up and down before and after being packed down. We don't get snow plows here on anything but the major highways, nor salt on any side roads.

Normal tires including all seasons don't work on the hills I've been driving on, 4WD or front wheel drive doesn't matter, the tires are critical. Flat roads or plowed roads you can manage with various kinds of tires. The biggest problem is the other drivers, 95% not having Winter tires, and the poor driving habits of most everyone. The true Snow tires give you a chance to stop on slick roads, nothing is perfect but they help a ton.

Here's a video from 2018 of driving with the Blizzak tires on some high roads in Pigeon Forge TN, above Wears Valley. This was not joy riding or to have fun, up there on bad snow days there's no good chance for a tow truck to come get you. So I'm driving carefully so I don't slide or get beyond getting out myself, which is not a sure thing. Every day is different, that day there was enough heat in the road to have some grip, and begin melting over the next day or two.

The two thumbnails are the same intersection going each way. A large cement truck on a normal day there flipped sideways coming down and blocked most of the intersection. It's interesting on regular days, happily with snow not many people had gone out that morning by about 10:15 AM.


This is the next part coming back up to the high point, and down part way. Those few roads up there are about 20 minutes of driving on normal days, the route is at least four hours normally(plus an hour of commuting to and from it from the PO).
 






Very doubtful, that 1% is usually just a fender bender because you were going 5MPH still instead of 0MPH. The far greater danger is downward icy slopes approaching an intersection, or reverse banked roads where you slide right off the side whether braking or not. Otherwise it is very much just a matter of driving slower which you have to do anyway no matter which tires are installed.
Which all falls in the 99% pre planning.
It's the 1% that you can't plan for that can kill you. Or someone else.
 






^ Which could be said about driving anything, anywhere, with any tires, or just standing in your driveway and getting struck by lightning. If you want absolute safety from that last 1%, don't drive at all.


Put in perspective, my '98 Explorer has been out hundreds of times on snowy and icy roads, that are highly hilly and curvy in my area, with all season tires, and as far as I know, I'm not dead yet. :)

Keep in mind, my '98 doesn't even have traction control, just RWD with auto 4WD. However my current Cooper AT3 4S tires have much better winter grip than my old Goodyear Wrangler RTS did... which I only ever had because I won them in a lottery.... BUT, even with those crappy Wrangler RTS, I had no wrecks, winter or otherwise.

It is always about driving within a safe speed for your vehicle and the road conditions, with the one exception being trying to traverse down a steep, slippery slope. In that case just don't do it unless you have studded tires, if how gracefully and accurately you land at the bottom matters, as it would if there is an intersection at the bottom or parked vehicles along the side of the roadway. Consider your most demanding situation and go from there.
 






I liked those Cooper AT3 4S tires, I had a set for about a year(wore them out). They were the best AT3 tires I've had, even better than the ATS W 15's that came on my last 98. But the real snow tires have about twice the grip of any all season tires, my current studded Nokian I'm not sure if they are as good as the Blizzak's.

Stopping is always the biggest danger, as all snow/wrecking videos show.
 






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