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I think some are and some aren't. You have to look at the VIN number to determine if you have a flex fuel vehicle or not. I heard them talking about the E85 on the news and they said it was cheaper but the fuel mileage was lousy when using it.
 






my '05 is E85 Compliant (flex fuel). Not all Explorers are. You need to get it checked by ford through your vin.

Paul
 






At the bottom of the page on the link you posted, it has a "click here" button where you can check your VIN to see if you have flex fuel or not.
 






i've ran an entire tank of E85. i determined that the cost of the E85 must be 20-25% cheaper than regular to offset the 20-25% decrease in gas mileage.
 






All I run is E85. Never put gasoline in it since I bought it. Runs great, and MPG isn't all that bad. Been between 11-17 MPG on E85, and no problems to report with its use whatsoever.

I have a huge advantage in running E85 where I'm at...There's an ethanol plant right in town, and they have a handful of their own fuel stations that sell the E85 for roughly a dollar a gallon less than regular gasoline.
 






if your 8th digit in ur vin is a K, then its FFV....also, your gas door should have a decal on the inside stating this.

when i ran E85, i lost a mile or two in mpg which equals about 10% loss...some have gotten the same or better, some worse. it depends on a lot of factors. your driving conditions, your driving skills, tires, tune ups and etc..... i really loved the cheaper cost E85 gives which made up for any loss in mpg. plus, it gives the truck a boost as far as hp....
 






if your 8th digit in ur vin is a K, then its FFV....also, your gas door should have a decal on the inside stating this

I have a FF decal in the gas door of my '05 Sport Trac. Also took a tax deduction last year for it. :thumbsup:
Only ran E85 once, filled up when I was coming back from a company meeting in Ohio. It didn't seem to run any different. E85 is not sold anywhere near where I live in PA.
 






I have a FF decal in the gas door of my '05 Sport Trac. Also took a tax deduction last year for it.
You can do that? Please enlighten me!

If I can do that, I'm really going to tick off the ethanol naysayers. Not only am I burning a tax-subsidized fuel, I'm also getting my own deduction. What better win-win situation can a guy ask for?:thumbsup:
 






You can do that? Please enlighten me!

If I can do that, I'm really going to tick off the ethanol naysayers. Not only am I burning a tax-subsidized fuel, I'm also getting my own deduction. What better win-win situation can a guy ask for?:thumbsup:

i saw the deduction when asked if you had a alternative fuel burning car/truck on my tax form last year. i didnt need it since i dont itemize my taxes....and there seem to be a form that i had to wait on that wasnt ready at the time i did my taxes so i skipped it...i like to file my asap since i get a huge tax return.:thumbsup:
 






E85 and the 4.0 SOHC V6

Hi everyone, just kind of ran across the ExplorerForum and saw this thread regarding E85.

I'm on my 3rd Eddie Bauer Explorer (1st was an '89, 2nd was a '98 and now this one) I got my '05 back in June of this year. Bought it used with 23,000 miles on it.

It has the FFV option (sticker on the fuel door and 8th character of the VIN is a "k")

I happened to be out by one of the few stations in this area that sell E85 so I figured what the heck, I'll try a tank of E85. ........BIG MISTAKE!!!!!!!!......

Aside from going from 18mpg in the city to 10mpg my Check Engine Light came on AFTER the E85 was run through and I had filled the tank with regular 'ol gas. Ok I know that a loose gas cap can cause that so it was the first think I checked.....Gas cap is on tight so it can't be that.

Since it's still under factory waranty I took it to the dealer and had one of 2 mechanics there that I trust look at it. (I'm lucky enough to have gotten to know 2 of the mechanics there very well when I had to take my other explorers to the dealer for service).

After about 30 minutes he hunts me down, looks me straight in the face and asks me if I had run E85 in it..... "Yeah" I told him, but only one tank and since then I had filled the tank twice.

He tells me that the Barometric sensor in the engine is saying that my car is like 2000 feet above sea level........not likely since I'm just outside of Pittsburgh, PA. Then he proceeds to tell me that he had just read a Ford issued memo (he didn't say TSB) about E85 causing the CES light to come on and causing an issue with the sensors, etc within the fuel delivery system. The kicker is, that apparently Ford isn't sure how to address this issue since the vehicles are SUPPOSED to be able to use E85 as an alternate fuel.

Just thought I'd post this in case anyone else has run into this same problem after using E85. Also apparently after using regular gas for a while, switching to E85 can cause the same problem...seems the engine, sensors, etc. have become used to the hydrocarbons in the regular gas and get confused when they suddenly have to deal with E85.
 






Your experience is the first ford FFV user that i have ever heard that from. i am not sure what happened, but find it odd that a ford mechanic that you got to know personally would approach you and ask if you ever used E85. it would seem to be a big problem with them and a recall issued if it was the case on a lot of them. i have used E85 with no such problems and i have a 05 4.0 xlt. I in fact have had great experiences with E85, especially with the low mileage loss yet large savings at some stations. chalk yours up to possibily a defect and have it fixed. sorry to hear you didnt like it and had problems, but your case seems to be isolated.:cool:
 






The nearest E85 station to me is 150 miles, but I'd try it in my '03 given the chance and savings. I'd also consider running it mixed with regular gasoline for a few tanks and trying at least a half a dozen tanks before coming to a firm conclusion.
 






I'm on my 3rd Eddie Bauer Explorer... Bought it used with 23,000 miles on it.

Yeah, not sure about the barometric pressure issue, but one thing I'd advise in a vehicle with some dino-fuel miles on it is to change your fuel filter after using E85 for a few tanks. The properties of E85 as well as bio-diesel tend to free up contaminants in the fuel lines and filters. The short term issue is potential clogging of lines, injectors, etc, but the long term result is a much cleaner fuel system and a happier car.

Mike can elaborate I'm sure even though he's used E85 exclusively.

As for the whole cost and fuel economy issue, we've discussed this a lot on other threads, but I'll make this one point again because I believe it deserves emphasis.

Dino-Fuel = $$$ for Big Oil and countries that aren't exactly our friends
E85 and Bio-Diesel = $$$ for family farms and business in the good old US of A!
 






I've heard of some isolated incidents where a CEL can come on after a re-fuel of E85. It's somewhat uncommon though. Depending on the dealership, I've heard mixed signals on what the real fix is. Some have mentioned a re-flash of the PCM to take care of it, others have simply cleared the code and not had it come back, and yet another told the customer not to use E85 if a CEL came on during its use. The last one gets me a bit steamed. It was probably a newbie in the service department that didn't know his arse from a hole in the ground, but it still isn't the answer to give someone that bought a FFV and planned on using it to run alternate fuels.

I'm pretty confident that a re-flash of the PCM will solve your problem if simply clearing the code doesn't. Heck, there's quite a few non-FFVs around this area that are running E85 with hardly any issues whatsoever. One of my mechanics has an old '91 Olds Cutlass Ciera with a 2.5L 4-cylinder and he's been running it on straight E85 for some time now with no Check Engine lights ever coming on, and no fuel system problems to speak of. In fact, he claims it makes more power on E85 than it does on gasoline. Only gripe he has is that it's a bit rough idling when dead cold. Once it warms up, it runs fine. I've got a way to fool the ECM on that car into fattening up the fuel curve a bit but so far he hasn't tried it. Basically, just hooking up a small potientiometer into the coolant temperature sensor wiring to give the ECM the illusion that it's much colder (you can default it to -40° this way), and it will then dump more fuel on a cold start. Once warm, just turn the dial the other way, and it will lean back out and run in closed loop operation.

Replacing the fuel filter is probably a good thing to do, but generally, if it's getting plugged up, you'll start to have driveability problems regardless of what fuel is being used. I'm guessing that my Explorer had a diet of regular gasoline up till I bought it, just based on where the previous owner lived there's no E85 stations within 50 miles or so. The day I took delivery of mine, I went and filled it up with E85 and have been running it every tank since with no problems whatsoever.
 






I was wondering if anyone knows if there are any E85 stations in Southern California and what kind of tax brakes you can get using it? Thanks Eric.
 






I was wondering if anyone knows if there are any E85 stations in Southern California and what kind of tax brakes you can get using it? Thanks Eric.
Check www.e85refueling.com for a station near you. It seems like it's not as popular in the southwest as it is around the midwest. Goes without saying as far as I see it though...There's more corn here and less transportation needed.
 






OK never mind,, out of 5 in California, 3 have no public access, 1 is coming soon and the last one is 300+ miles away!!! In San Deigo. Thanks EG Cornburner
 






i have an 04 my cel came on took it to the dealer the flashed my computer with a software update from ford have your dealer update yours i have had no problems since
 



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I run E85 in my 03 Mountaineer and so far no problems.
It runs great and the exhaust smells better. :)
I've been paying 2.29 / gal. Regular gas is about $2.89 around here.

That's news to me about the tax break - glad to hear it.
 






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