Explorer EV Coming - Cancelled Aug. 21, 2024

[jr230]

there's a yt creator from AU follows ev problems. a Canada city foolishly bought a 1.8 million dollar fire truck about 500k more than ice even so thats one crazy expensive rig and while the defect could be any .its battery complicated repair. but its got a 2 hr run if i heard right so if fire requires more time pumping a heavy duty tow rig will be needed and a second truck to finish fighting the fire. england is buying electric vans converting them to ambulances but spending billions and they need 2x as many because ambulances make many runs or long distances
and one big problem with even diesel ambulances lights, radios, and medical equipment electric power has always been short and thats with either large alternators or sometimes 2 alternators so with all gear needed draining the ev battery will diesel tow rigs have to be on call when dead battery or will ihs just ration call so when gran breaks her hip she can wait till morning meanwhile china still putting coal plants online every 2 weeks for the foreseeable future to charge there torches aka china flammable ev and busses

 

[Rick]

just yesterday a report about shortage of mechanics who can work on the they do require service, and service centers have to be large because rules or practice don't allow them to be parked next to each other in case of fire. tow yards also after wrecks cannot be parked near another car or building or left on flatbeds and fl found so many when the hurricane salt water flooded them many fires occurred since salt water is a great conductor

I already know that if and when I get an electric it will be parked and charged outside, away from the house. While doing electric upgrades to my detached shop, I had a 50 amp outlet installed on the block wall seperating the properties.

 

[94Eddie]

EVs are receiving negative pressure from a lot of directions. They are not nearly as environmentally friendly as they have been portrayed. They are a fire hazard and will likely get more dangerous as they age, receive road damage etc. They are getting hella expensive to insure due to a growing tendency for them being totaled for relatively minor damage. I wouldn't be surprised if homeowners insurance will increase if an EV is in the garage or near a structure. A nick in the battery shield can get them totaled. Any frame or other damage gets them totaled because of how they are built. The charging situation is not keeping up with increasing demand. Especially when taking long trips. The current state of the electrical grid is woefully inadequate to correct this problem. Low or high temperatures reduces range substantially due to reduced battery efficiency and greater battery drain due to heating/AC for the cabin loading the battery. There are probably a few more issues that I am forgetting.

All these things are now coming to light and have been hidden by manufacturers, our government and the media. There are several studies coming out showing ICE vehicles are considerably more environmentally friendly than EVs. Also, recently, there have been discoveries of vast amounts of hydrogen gas underground which will likely tilt the balance from EVs to hydrogen engines and/or fuel cells if reserve estimates are correct. Moving to hydrogen powered vehicles would eliminate all the environmental damage done from mining rare earth metals needed for batteries. Hydrogen also eliminates the problems of dealing with dead battery packs. I think there are good odds that EVs will not be the choice to replace ICE engines. What might happen is IC engines will burn environmentally friendly fuel (i.e. hydrogen) until fuel cells ultimately replaces them.

 

[Rick]

Nothing is hidden. All the info is out there, whether or not people choose to educate themselves is another matter altogether.

I am not looking to buy an EV to save the world. I want an EV to save money. Along with an EV will come solar panels. I can't refine gasoline at home, but I sure can produce electricity. When the grid goes down and gas stations are closed due to a hacker taking down our infrastructure, it will be the electrics that are charged at homes with solar that will be on the road.

 

[94Eddie]

Nothing is hidden. All the info is out there, whether or not people choose to educate themselves is another matter altogether.

I am not looking to buy an EV to save the world. I want an EV to save money. Along with an EV will come solar panels. I can't refine gasoline at home, but I sure can produce electricity. When the grid goes down and gas stations are closed due to a hacker taking down our infrastructure, it will be the electrics that are charged at homes with solar that will be on the road.

I am not criticizing anyone that owns an EV or wants to buy one. I might pick up one for cheap in a couple of years to use as a short range vehicle. I think that people have a right to be properly informed about what they are buying into. The problem these days is most people believe what the media tells them. EVs have been hyped to be the replacement for ICE vehicles. The current occupants of the executive branch are mandating EVs to be 50% of vehicles sold by 2030 which is insane. All the issues with them that are coming out now have been there all along. The deficiencies of EVs have not been covered truthfully by the media and they are finally coming clean because they have no choice but to tell the truth now. The Ford Lightning is a perfect example of an EV whose capabilities were way over hyped. Now that the truth about them is out, Ford can't move them off the dealer's lots. There are a huge number of EV owners whose vehicles have depreciated 30%-50+% in just one or two years. Their loans are upside down so much that they won't get to the break even point for many years.

I reason I want an EV is to fully utilize the solar system that will be installed with the new house we will be building in a few years. The one thing to keep in mind is that an EV can be hacked just as easy as the grid or a gas station. Probably much easier. They are required to be connected to the internet to function. At some point, if not already, the government will be able force EV makers to brick your car, limit the geographical area you can travel, keep you from charging at any source (even off grid solar), track you everywhere you go, etc. EV drivers are more vulnerable to losing control of their vehicle to others than any other current mode of personal transportation. Think about it. With the advent of auto driving and GPS an EV can be instructed to run you off the road, into oncoming traffic, off a cliff, into a ravine etc. whenever and wherever someone in power desires. At this point, I am becoming envious of the Amish communities.

 

[Rick]

For us it would be a short run commuter. They are building a new high school about 2 miles from us and that's where my wife will be working. Perfect for an electric, and awful for an ICE engine since it would not have time to get to full temperature before being shut down every day.

Regarding being connected, find the transciever in the vehicle and disable it.

I read an article within the past few days describing how some automanufacturers are handing driving data from connected cars over to insurance companies. It's already happening with ICE vehicles. Onstar has had the ability to shut down their vehicles, and listen to conversations within, for a couple decades now.

Brave new world.

 

[Sgt1411]

there's a yt creator from AU follows ev problems. a Canada city foolishly bought a 1.8 million dollar fire truck about 500k more than ice even so thats one crazy expensive rig and while the defect could be any .its battery complicated repair. but its got a 2 hr run if i heard right so if fire requires more time pumping a heavy duty tow rig will be needed and a second truck to finish fighting the fire. england is buying electric vans converting them to ambulances but spending billions and they need 2x as many because ambulances make many runs or long distances
and one big problem with even diesel ambulances lights, radios, and medical equipment electric power has always been short and thats with either large alternators or sometimes 2 alternators so with all gear needed draining the ev battery will diesel tow rigs have to be on call when dead battery or will ihs just ration call so when gran breaks her hip she can wait till morning meanwhile china still putting coal plants online every 2 weeks for the foreseeable future to charge there torches aka china flammable ev and busses

Vancouver Fire Department did buy the E-Fire Truck, against all the recommendations from the group of front line staff who went to review and test. Did I mention the VFD Chief is a woke liberal female? But here is the best part, its charged by a diesel generator. It's also been out of service more hours then its been operational. Go Woke Go Broke. Vancouver is the Seattle of Canada. Also I was told at the end of the day its pencilled out at double the $$$$ compared to an ICS Fire Truck.

 

[94Eddie]

For us it would be a short run commuter. They are building a new high school about 2 miles from us and that's where my wife will be working. Perfect for an electric, and awful for an ICE engine since it would not have time to get to full temperature before being shut down every day.

Regarding being connected, find the transciever in the vehicle and disable it.

I figured newer EVs would eventually have to "phone home" at some point to keep running. For our use case, the EV would be always charged at home. Another perk with an EV is some can be used as a battery bank for a solar system.

I read an article within the past few days describing how some automanufacturers are handing driving data from connected cars over to insurance companies. It's already happening with ICE vehicles. Onstar has had the ability to shut down their vehicles, and listen to conversations within, for a couple decades now.

Brave new world.

I don't plan on getting rid of my Mountaineer when I buy a connected vehicle. The thing that really scares me is moving to digital currency. If this happens, we are all screwed.

 

[boominXplorer]

I'll put my $.02 in. My next vehicle when I sell my 22 ST will be an EV. I've got 4 more years left on the loan then I'll be switching the wife over. We put 6k miles on it in a year. An EV makes sense for her since the furthest she will go in a day is 100 miles but more than likely no more than about 15 miles between 4 drive cycles. An EV makes perfect sense for local daily commuting as the repair and fuel cost will be very minimal. Hopefully the technology and prices will be more in line by then.

I still won't get rid of my raptor that gets 12mpg nor will I ever part with my old 7.3 F250. I'll wait till the government offers me 50k each to crush to get the gas burners off the road in the year 2050.

I own an auto repair shop so I've got to pay attention to the future. I'd like to say ev's aren't coming but they are and coming fast. Personally I think we will always have ICE hybrids but other fuel sources like hydrogen will come into play. I feel toyota will be the first in US with hydrogen powered consumer vehicles. We got about 20 more years of these gas burners till they start going extinct. I'll be close to 60 by then so hopefully my business can survive until then.

My extra thoughts: I think every US mail truck that travels under 100 miles daily should be an EV. I also think the same for every low speed delivery truck. Those can charge at night, run all day. Then public transportation. My one concern is how will we electrify aircrafts? Those account for more than double the pollution that us automobiles make so its like fighting an environmental fire while using a small water hose on 30% of it......

 

[peterk9]

Three-Row Ford Explorer EV Delayed Due To Battery Cost​

More info on the 2 year EV production delay.

https://fordauthority.com/2024/05/three-row-ford-explorer-ev-delayed-due-to-battery-cost/

Peter

 

[J Michael]

And likely lack of interest.

 

[94Eddie]

Ford, and about every other brand that sells ICE vehicles, have bailed on EVs. The public is now wise to the lies they were told by governments and manufacturers regarding the day to day impracticalities of EVs. Tires for EVs are much more expensive and wear out much faster than they do on ICE vehicles. Insurance rates are horrendous due to them being totaled for minor accidents. They are a massive fire hazard. The batteries are hella expensive to replace. Charging them has become a nightmare when done outside the home and for longer trips. Charge stations are in short supply and are becoming unreliable with many being out of operation without notice. Plus, they suffer from massive depreciation in the first year of ownership. Getting repairs done has become a frustrating process and many EV companies will be out of business soon making this problem exponentially bigger. EVs are niche vehicles and are far from ready to replace ICE vehicles anytime soon.

 

[themishmosh]

Not sure whose bright idea at Ford was to go so heavily into EVs at this point in time. Look at their losses!

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60621256/ford-ev-revenue-losses-q1-2024/

 

[donalds]

 

[TBill]

I am in my 70's yet I think I will be in the market for a replacement for my 2020 Platinum Explorer in 2026. An EV is something I would never consider for my vehicle or my wife's 2023 Escape. The whole electric vehicle is a scam. Take a look at this information and then tell me how this is going to help the environment!
TB

 

[peterk9]

Future Three-Row Ford EV Punted To Unknown Plant For 2027​

https://fordauthority.com/2024/07/future-three-row-ford-ev-punted-to-unknown-plant-for-2027/

F-series Super Duties are to be built at the Oakville plant instead.

Peter

 

[jr230]

I am in my 70's yet I think I will be in the market for a replacement for my 2020 Platinum Explorer in 2026. An EV is something I would never consider for my vehicle or my wife's 2023 Escape. The whole electric vehicle is a scam. Take a look at this information and then tell me how this is going to help the environment!
TB

my 04 recently died the rattle of death got estimate of about 3k usd and about 900 parts truck was ok had it for 5.5 yrs . looking at enterprise car sales only explorers are 2.3 l 4cyl turbo. new dealers all have same . for around 45k but to ger v6 something like 70 usd thousand and
unless somethings making me a profit i not spending tens on tens of thousands on a truck and being retired not looking to work to support lazy government so looks like my 3rd explorer the last unless a clean v8 pre Taurus based explorer comes on craigslist

 

[jr230]

Not sure whose bright idea at Ford was to go so heavily into EVs at this point in time. Look at their losses!

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60621256/ford-ev-revenue-losses-q1-2024/

worst part ford had some of the best vehicles focus very good car especially the sw. companies like labs, and other high mileage light delivery
then they cut SW to sell more SUV then the disaster auto trans which they knew did not work in testing but installed it anyway destroying 2 car models . the cars were lasting 200k even with less that good service the 3v v8 problems as well as infotainment he complained about 3 billion in recalls bet warrantee was just as expensive. add to the decision to not upgrade computer systems 2020 cars using 1980s computer tech , yes somewhat cheaper but they needed multiple computer modules when modern computer could do all with 1 plus less connections
now there stuck built too many full loaded trucks and suv raising the price crazy high pricing millions out of the market notice Toyota, kia ,Hyundai have plenty of cars ford has 1 and there trucks are often heaver duty than many need and heavy towing with half tons is stupid
has for EV Imo probably no more than 20% of consumers will they fit all round needs. live in city how do you plug in and only charging at stations impractical and look at any i seen gas station are mostly covered so rain and snow protected when gassing no so plugging in
and hot sun shuts them off . many reasons both head of ford and GM need to be fired but no they will eventually leave with millions rewarding there failures . and it only matter of time china and or india will start selling in usa and stallantis no longer builds any cars to my knowlage in the states and some trucks are still mut also Mexico made even jeeps have foreign models and the union jobs are being lost .
must of this is brought by the wonderful demacrap party. net zero is foolish, a lie and not possible
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[peterk9]

Latest update on the Explorer and Aviator EV.

Three Row Ford EV Was Tossed Around Before It Got Killed​

https://fordauthority.com/2024/08/three-row-ford-ev-was-tossed-around-before-it-got-killed/

Peter

 

[94Eddie]

The problem is the automakers, and governments, pushed EVs onto the public too fast and didn't allow the market to determine their viability and absorption rate. Also, many people bought into the hype of owning an EV and are now finding they were either outright lied to at worst, or grossly mislead at best. Most ICE automakers have lost billions and billions of dollars trying to transition to EVs and can't sustain manufacturing them going forward. In the end, I think EVs will share the pie with ICE vehicles but which technology will win in the end is still unknown. EV, ICE, hydrogen or a mix of them is possible, IMO. Right now, EVs seem to work best for those with less than 100 mile per day commutes, and more critically, those who can charge overnight at home. Go outside of these parameters and ICE seems to be the better choice. In cold climates, I don't know if any EV is the right choice.