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Fishtailing is bad!! Our 4.0 OHV doesn't have much power but heck, it has plenty of torque. I accidentally did a 180 on a freshly wet pavement and you all know the first 15 minutes of rain is the most dangerous because of the oil. That scared the crap out of me!! :rolleyes: So sometimes I prefer a front drive car over a rear drive car.
 



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so overall do you guys think the LS axle is better for traction or worse? just curious... I have the open 3.08 so its next to impossible to accidentally fishtail my X, and somewhere down the road i'm thinking 3.73 ls...
 






I'd prefer a FWD car at times over rear wheel (2x4's) b/c I don't like rear drive in the snow. FWD tends to hook up better, and with rear drive, there is always the temptation of donuts! Well, I'm just waiting fer the first snow, so I can learn how to drive a fully locked vehicle, and prove that it's no biggie... though it was ranny since I got the 94 and let it all out pullin outta walmart, and good by backend and the girlfriends face looked like this --> :eek: and I was like... Yea! :bounce:
Pete
 






Originally posted by MagicMan
so overall do you guys think the LS axle is better for traction or worse? just curious... I have the open 3.08 so its next to impossible to accidentally fishtail my X, and somewhere down the road i'm thinking 3.73 ls...

A LS axle is better for traction in that it is harder to break loose. However once it breaks loose, it is easier to loose control with. With an open differential, one tire will sort of act like an anchor and keep your rear end from going side to side. The downside is, the other tire will usually just sit and spin uselessly in the snow. My '86 Ranger with an open 3.73 had a hard time getting going in the snow. I have never fishtailed in it. Even in the snow if I floored it, it would just slow down as one of the rear tires started spinning. My '94 Ranger with a 3.55 LS got moving easier, however if I was too agressive on the throttle, it would fishtail. If I was reasonable with the throttle though, it was easy to control. My '95 T-bird with traction control would usually just sit there with out budging in the snow unless I turned it off unless there was a crown to the road in which case the rear-end acted like a locked rear-end and had a tendency to slide into the gutter. If I turned off the traction control, it would spin one tire, but at least it didn't slide into the gutter. The times when it helped was when rounding icy corners too quickly. Often times I heard and felt it kick in while maintining the proper direction around the corner. Extremely slippery situations especitally while going up-hill made my T-bird very hard to go anywhere.
 






Robert, are you basically saying that your T-bird's traction control is useless because the brakes lock your rear-end up, preventing you from going anywhere? I'm trying to learn the advantages and disadvangages of traction controls so bear with me. Thanks. lol.
 






Billy,
There are several different types of TC. I have experianced 2 types so far (2 of the most widley used type)
First off is the traction control that only uses the brakes to help gain traction. This system (as it was in my Dad's old 95 Volvo 850 GLT) pulsates the wheels that slip to try to slow them down so they grip. In the Volvo if you sit at a light and floor it in rain or snow, the car will accelerate, but once the wheels would go over 35 MPH the traction control would turn off (causing me to slide sideways once...very scarey...I don;t like FWD cars because I had no steering power.....in an Explorer skids are much more perdictable)

The second type of traction control I have experianced is the system in my Dad's cirrent car, a 1999 Mercedes C230. His Mercedes is rear wheel drive. The traction control system on that car takes total control of th ehtorttle and the breaking system to help the car gain traction. Personally we do not like the system on the Mercedes simply because the driver has no control over the throttle! I was at an intersection pulling out onto fast highway, I hit the gas the car started to go, then traction control closed the throttle. I had ther pedal to the floor to try to get that car going, just I was only putting along. i was worried i would get rear-ended and since then have always hated that system. Another problem is our garage has a coating on the floor to protect the cement...well since we all back out cars into the garage, when my dad goes to back in sometimes he can;t because the rear wheels slip if they are wet. he has to get like a running start to get in. Basically I think the traction control should only use the ABS to help limit wheelslip...not take over the throttle. Thats just my opinion..I am sure people disagree.
 












My T-bird used just the rear brakes to slow down the spinning tire/s. My manual warned that if the traction control got activated frequently, it would shut down if the brakes got to hard. It would resume, once things cooled back down. I can't say that I ever ran into that though. I did not like they system since the brakes would oftentimes slow my tires down to the point where they would stop completely. I drove it to a NASCAR race in Martinsville one year right after a weeks worth of rain and floods. I parked in the grass on a slight hill. While I stepped on the gas, all I got was the "whirring" of the TC and my tires planted on the wet grass. Several people saw what was happening and gave me a push to get me going. I'm not thrilled with that type of TC. I'm sure that if I would have floored it, it would have overcame the pressure from the brakes, but I never tried flooring it when the TC kicked in. Kinda defeats the purpose in my mind.

I also agree with your comlaint about the systems that limit the throttle in addition to the brakes. I rented a '00 Mustang last year and ran into the same situation. I was pulling out off of a gravel road onto an asphalt road. I took off a little to aggresively, so my rear tires broke free. There I was sitting in the middle of the road with traffic coming up behind very quickly. An ideal system would sense the regain of traction quicker and shut off the TC sooner. My T-bird would disable quicker, however it suffered when it came to getting going when it was really slippery.

My Explorer blows away everything else I have ever driven when it comes to taking off. It acts similar to a system that limits the power to the rear wheels. The difference being that instead of just cutting the power, it redirects it to the front. So instead of sitting their dead in the street, it takes right off.
 






SInce driving the Explorer and since i live up in the snow belt, as long as I live here whatever I drive will be 4WD or AWD.
 






Who needs traction control when you can have AWD? lol:bounce:
 






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