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The only way I've found to justify the cost of another vehicle is it being "cheap". Example- I have less than 4k in my Ranger which gets 25 MPG and it only has 45k miles on it. I owe nothing on it, insurance is $30 a month. My Mountaineer gets 15-17 MPG. So, its cost of ownership is less than running the Mountaineer and I come out ahead in the end at $3 and above fuel. Plus, the miles I don't put on the Mountaineer saves tires and wear and tear.
 



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i agree. i like my ford exp and dont look for it as an investment (other than i would like to get something in return when getting a newer one later) along with that and the fact i like to take care of my things so they look in top shape.

i dont see the sense at this time to run out and pay a premium for a hybrid. they are so over inflated at this time.

lastly, the middle east knows at some time they will run out of their money tree (oil) and have nothing to live off of...they cant grow crops over there like we can (imagine us selling a bushel of wheat for $1,000....lol)
so is there a master plan to build up enough money selling oil while pretending to be our friends while they look to develop nuclear power (ask Iran) to take over the world for future survival? are we using up everyone's oil while saving ours so we have all the marbles later? it seems we are in a chess match and its anyones guess who will call checkmate.

now, back to the issue. i think there will be some that run and dump their SUVs for small cars. i will continue to drive mine as long as i can afford it and then after that, i will park it and save it for special occasions. i also will have plenty of parts to replace needed ones once some of those are junked.....
 






Humm there was no Park Ave in 89 there was the Electra that was dropped in 91 for the Park Ave (the Park Ave name was used from 75-91 as a "top" line Electra). Its not even close gas wise

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectEngine.jsp?year=1989&make=Buick&model=Electra

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=23502

There are move fuel efficient Civic's I picked the auto to make it "fare".

What '88 Dodge Shadow got 36 (even highway)?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm

Cars get much better MPG now then they ever did.

Yes I am old enough to remember sitting in gas lines in the 70's I also remember gas stations getting new pumps so they could charge over a $1. I also remember the crap cars we had to live with in the 80's.


There are not a lot of US cars on any of these lists.

http://cars.about.com/od/helpforcarbuyers/tp/top10_fuel.htm

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/bestworst.shtml

http://www.autobytel.com/content/research/top10/index.cfm/action/mileage/vehicleclass/all/listtype/3

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bestworst.shtml

PS the '88 Honda Civic CRX HF never got 61 (you are about 10 to high, highway) same with all the ones you listed.
I was wrong about the Park Avenue...Electra is the same car though. Both the same platform and engine, just different name tags. Tomato, tomahto.
The MPG ratings I listed are what were advertised in their respective ads when the cars were new.
 






I was wrong about the Park Avenue...Electra is the same car though. Both the same platform and engine, just different name tags. Tomato, tomahto.
The MPG ratings I listed are what were advertised in their respective ads when the cars were new.

Then they lied.

The Electra/Park Ave are not close to the civic in MPG. Even if you use the link you gave (that I referenced) its not close. The only thing the Civic CRX HF had that was 61 was its HP.
 






They are measuring fuel economy differently than years gone by. Remember the old disclaimer "actual highway MPG will be less" in all the print ads? I was going by what those cars were advertised to get when they were brand new, not real world economy. I do know from experience that my '89 Dodge Shadow 2.2L 5-speed could get 38 MPG on a steady 60 MPH trip, and consistently got mid 30s.

The 57 MPG rating on the Rabbit diesel may have been a bit far-fetched from Volkswagen though...My '82 Rabbit oil-burner only got a personal best of 49. I drove it hard though...The pedal was either on the floor or idling, not much in between. You had to drive it that way...It was so gutless that it was almost a hazard to drive it for fuel economy if there was other traffic around. But...It was faster in a stoplight race than a '77 LeMans with a 231 c.i. V6, believe it or not! There's a guy that I see at the racetrack every week that has a '81 Rabbit diesel that he claims gets 55 MPG, and a good friend of mine has a '96 Passat TDI 5-speed that has gotten close to 60 MPG already! He's rolled the trip odometer over on one tankful! That's right...Over 1000 miles on an 18 gallon tank! I've personally witnessed this. The car has over 300,000 miles on it, and the only thing not stock is the exhaust...No cat, no muffler, just 2 1/4" straight pipe off the turbo.

My neighbor had a Park Avenue or Electra (can't remember which) and he got 30-32 MPG on the highway almost every tankful. Now the new Accord is bragging about 29 MPG??!?
 






"My neighbor had a Park Avenue or Electra (can't remember which) and he got 30-32 MPG on the highway almost every tankful. Now the new Accord is bragging about 29 MPG??!?"

True, (thought I'd jump in here). We bought the new accord, nice car, but somewhat noisey cabin ... one thing to keep in mind, "MPG back in the day" was under perfect, driving conditions, flat, no wind, no AC... now today's mpg's (less) better reflect real world driving... I wonder what HP the Park Ave had? The Accord is 270... today's technology, more HP, the same/better mpg.... maybe that's the difference/trade off
 






Well, they started raising prices and making rules like you couldn't hang your own equipment off their lines. So, you know what the government did? Busted the one giant company up into a bunch of little ones. So, I am betting the Pres could threaten a buncha anti-trust and conspiracy investigations against the oil companies. If he wanted.

Show where there is a monopoly? There are many oil companies and they have been dragged into congress many times and they have found zero proof of colusion or price fixing or anything that violates the law.


And don't forget that what is it? 60 cents on every gallon of gas is tax.

But yet you feel the gov can or should do something about fuel prices?

But yes, I think we should put a HUGE pipe in alaska and tell opec to go f off. Let them try and find someone else to finance their indoor ski slopes and giant castles for awhile, and I bet the crude prices come down.

At our current consumption rate, that oil would not last very long. Plus if we started now, it would be years before any oil flowed out of there. Also, any oil pumped will be sold at market price. One more thing, if oil companies are making record profit now, why would they invest billions to make less just so you can have cheaper fuel?

OPEC supplies 30% of the world market, the less and less significant OPEC is on the world market, the higher the prices go, there is some benefit to having a cartel.

Then, I believe we need to do something to the oil businesses. Being a small businessman in transition, I am all for capitalism, and if someone can make a buck, woot on them.

My problem is that there is a line between being The Next Hot Item, and selling water at 20 dollars a gallon to a person whose house is on fire. That's what I think the oil companies are doing, what with their record windfall profits and all.

They are making around 7.5% profit margin. Low in industry standards, my little plastic company I work at has around a 15% profit margin. OIl companies have been absorbing the prices because if they were at the same rate as oil, we would be paying almost $7 a gallon right now.

AND, I am no economist,

Don't worry, I can tell. Not to be insultive but you should at least go to a micro and macro economics class before making ill informed statements.

but I don't buy that "adjusted for inflation" argument either (NO offense to you, Rhino). Something drives inflation. Whatever pushes it up theoretically could push it right back down. Oh yeah, like the US loaning all these places money, then not asking for it back PLUS INTEREST. Or, devaluating the dollar by pumping too many of them out. Or (and y'all can say whatever you want about me) the deal in Myanamar or however you pronounce it. They hate us. HATE us. I realize we don't need to sink to the level of the dirtbags, but I am tired of us propping up our enemies. We've done it forever. Anybody ever heard of the Marshall doctrine?

I know you don't buy the adjusted for inflation argument because you do not understand it, so it is easier to brush it off then break open a book and read.

I do not see what Myanmar has to do with anything, but hey, anything you can find to add fuel to your fire.

That would be the "Truman" doctrine, not the "Marshall" doctrine if you are meaning the major shift in our foriegn policies.



I have no clue who I am going to vote for, I think they all suck. I have never felt more disenfranchised in my life.

I actually agree. So vote for Barr.
 






There are also more Exs available than other SUVs. So there's a glut, plus other manufacturers are making better designs on the newer ones.

$4 a gallon with no top in sight, we'll all be driving Civics soon :rolleyes:

Screw that i am never driving another honda. Of course like my mom and dad always used to say "never say never"
 






Don't buy a car or truck if you want to make a profit! :>)

Do you like/love your truck? The answer is the answer. If yes, then it does not matter; if no, then too bad.

JP
 






Don't buy a car or truck if you want to make a profit! :>)
It is possible to make a good profit buying and selling cars, but it takes practice. Most people just don't jump in and make several thousand dollars profit their first time out. You have to know what to buy and how much to pay for it.
 






I've always thought of as a side business, just buying non working cars and fixing them and and selling them for a prophet on my free time since i enjoy car work.

Any one ever done this before?
 






They are measuring fuel economy differently than years gone by. Remember the old disclaimer "actual highway MPG will be less" in all the print ads? I was going by what those cars were advertised to get when they were brand new, not real world economy. I do know from experience that my '89 Dodge Shadow 2.2L 5-speed could get 38 MPG on a steady 60 MPH trip, and consistently got mid 30s.

The 57 MPG rating on the Rabbit diesel may have been a bit far-fetched from Volkswagen though...My '82 Rabbit oil-burner only got a personal best of 49. I drove it hard though...The pedal was either on the floor or idling, not much in between. You had to drive it that way...It was so gutless that it was almost a hazard to drive it for fuel economy if there was other traffic around. But...It was faster in a stoplight race than a '77 LeMans with a 231 c.i. V6, believe it or not! There's a guy that I see at the racetrack every week that has a '81 Rabbit diesel that he claims gets 55 MPG, and a good friend of mine has a '96 Passat TDI 5-speed that has gotten close to 60 MPG already! He's rolled the trip odometer over on one tankful! That's right...Over 1000 miles on an 18 gallon tank! I've personally witnessed this. The car has over 300,000 miles on it, and the only thing not stock is the exhaust...No cat, no muffler, just 2 1/4" straight pipe off the turbo.

My neighbor had a Park Avenue or Electra (can't remember which) and he got 30-32 MPG on the highway almost every tankful. Now the new Accord is bragging about 29 MPG??!?

Then by that reasoning a new Accord might get 60mpg. You can't use one standard to bash some cars then say it no good for others just to make a point.
 






ugh... 4.19$/gal...thank god I REALLY enjoy my SUV.
 






I have a 98 X and love it, but it only gets 17 around town and 21 on the hwy, max. My niece has a 2003 Camry that I could byu for about $9,000. I am thinking of buying it and driving both (5000 miles per year for the X, and 10,000 for the Camry), but am having trouble thinking of all the extra costs of having two cars.

Any input would be appreciated.
 






I have a 98 X and love it, but it only gets 17 around town and 21 on the hwy, max. My niece has a 2003 Camry that I could byu for about $9,000. I am thinking of buying it and driving both (5000 miles per year for the X, and 10,000 for the Camry), but am having trouble thinking of all the extra costs of having two cars.

Any input would be appreciated.

$9000 will buy a lot of fuel.

at 15k a year at $4.00 a gallon and average 19mpg, it will buy a little less than 3 years worth of fuel, not even including insurance and maintenance cost. Add to that a camry gets 21/30mpg, my grandma owns one and gets a constant 26mpg.

So many people are jumping on the fuel saving bandwagon but not looking at the bottom line, many are incurring more expense than if they just kept their current car.
 






$9000 will buy a lot of fuel.

at 15k a year at $4.00 a gallon and average 19mpg, it will buy a little less than 3 years worth of fuel, not even including insurance and maintenance cost. Add to that a camry gets 21/30mpg, my grandma owns one and gets a constant 26mpg.

So many people are jumping on the fuel saving bandwagon but not looking at the bottom line, many are incurring more expense than if they just kept their current car.

I hate to admit it, but I agree 100% with you!
 






... don't forget that what is it? 60 cents on every gallon of gas is tax.
...

-Shawn
That is very inaccurate, that is about what the official advertised taxes on gas are. The local, state and federal gas taxes add up to about that, and that is a drop in the bucket compared to what oil companies pay in real taxes.

Oil companies pay corporate income taxes, which is about 40%, compared to the world that is near the top. Easy basic math should tell you that the oil companies do not pay those taxes out of charity, they add those costs to the price of gasoline that we all buy.

BTW, the taxes which the oil companies pay is more than the amount paid by the lowest 75% of all American tax payers.

Thus, the real truth not advertised is that the federal government is benefiting in the amount of about $1.50 for every gallon of gas sold, plus the 18 cents federal gas tax. I personally would like to have that near $1.75 removed from the price of gas, the government should cut their budget and give us our money back. Lower taxes, do not raise them.
 






That is very inaccurate, that is about what the official advertised taxes on gas are. The local, state and federal gas taxes add up to about that, and that is a drop in the bucket compared to what oil companies pay in real taxes.

Oil companies pay corporate income taxes, which is about 40%, compared to the world that is near the top. Easy basic math should tell you that the oil companies do not pay those taxes out of charity, they add those costs to the price of gasoline that we all buy.

BTW, the taxes which the oil companies pay is more than the amount paid by the lowest 75% of all American tax payers.

Thus, the real truth not advertised is that the federal government is benefiting in the amount of about $1.50 for every gallon of gas sold, plus the 18 cents federal gas tax. I personally would like to have that near $1.75 removed from the price of gas, the government should cut their budget and give us our money back. Lower taxes, do not raise them.

Dang, that is one of the best and most logical and informed post I have read in a long time. I am glad to see some people are actually reading about the issue and not getting their info from the mass media.

My company pays 55% in taxes, that is 55%!!!!!!!!! The government, both state and federal, take 55% of our profits, it is ridiculous. We are not near the top in corporate taxes, we are at the top.

You in Knoxville? I start at UTK in the fall!
 






In all the talk about MPG rember this.There is only a certian amount of energy in gas, e85, and disiel.Computer controls and o/d transmissions have helped , but cars in general have gotten larger in the past several years.When the latest SUV trend started they were small then grew. The Bronco II was considered a mid size.Then the first gen Ex was just a bit larger and current ex's are now considerd full size.The Honda Civic is also much larger the when it was introduced. Look at some old ads fron the 40's through early 60's .Many ads touted mpgs over 30 mpg.No computers.I love my Explorer and will continue to drive it as long as I can afford to.
 



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You in Knoxville? I start at UTK in the fall!

Welcome bex, yes I'm about five miles below the stadium. Thanks for the kind words, it is a shame that not enough citizens know the real facts. So many more people would contact their government representatives and pressure them. The lobbyists are the ones screaming in their ears.
 






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