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Anybody know how the Fuel Pressure Transducer mounted on the fuel tank works? Does it just simply measure the pressure in the tank? Why does it have an input in the Powertrain control module?

Thanks,
Al :D
 



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Originally posted by asp84
Anybody know how the Fuel Pressure Transducer mounted on the fuel tank works? Does it just simply measure the pressure in the tank? Why does it have an input in the Powertrain control module?

Thanks,
Al :D

The electronic returnless fuel system does not use a fuel pressure regulator. Instead it uses a Fuel Rail Pressure sensor to sense fuel pressure. The FRP sensor is located in the fuel supply manifold assembly. The FRP sensor input signal is used by the PCM th vary the duty cycle output to the Fuel Pump Driver Module (FPDM) to adjust for different load changes. The FPDM the modulates voltage to the fuel pump to achieve proper fuel pressure. An Engine Fuel Temp. sensor input is also used by the PCM to vary fuel pressure to avoid fuel system vaporization.
Now this is how the late model systems work, on the early style say 98 and 99 they had a mechanical style return-less system that worked a little differently. If you need to know anything about that then just ask. :). Later Doug904.
 






Well, I wasn't talkign about the 99+ Explorers. I should have been more clear...sorry. I was referring to how the 1996-1997 EEC-V computers used the Fuel Pressure transducer. and yes.....they were used in 1996. (A little sensor mounted next to the fuel pump, with three wires goign in to it.)

Anybody know how this sensor works on a 96-97 Return Style fuel system and EECV comp?
Thanks,
Al
 






The fuel tank pressure transducer is used as part of the vapor recovery system on EEC-V. I read the description in the Powertrain manual on my service manual CD. I know that one of the functions is to turn on the CEL if it detects that the fuel tank pressure is too high; this would be a result of the canister purge system not working properly. I believe that another function is to determine when to open the canister purge solenoid. It does just measure pressure in the tank.

If there is a specific question you have I could try to find it in the Powertrain manual.
 






Yes, I am trying to figure out how the the Eddie Bauer Explorer 5.0's measure Fuel usage and economy.
Also, will the EEC-V still run w/out the Pressure transducer connected?

Thanks,
Al
 






I think it will run, but should light the CEL (check engine light) and set a code because it is monitored as part of OBD 2.

I don't know if it is used as part of the Message Center. I think that its main purpose is for the vapor recovery system.
 






ok, well according to my wiring diagrams, it has wire from the pressure transducer that goes to the message center.
So, my question is............what controls the fuel estimator on the message center?

Thanks,
AL
 






I think it is just a rough estimate

based on the number of injector pulses, the duration of them, and vehicle speed.
 






this is what I found in the 97 PCEM

The Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Running Loss System Monitor is an on-board strategy designed to detect a leak from a hole (opening) equal to or greater than 1.016 mm (0.040 inch) in the EVAP Running Loss system. The proper function of the individual components of the EVAP Running Loss system as well as its ability to flow fuel vapor to the engine is also examined. The EVAP Running Loss System Monitor relies on the individual components of the EVAP Running Loss system to apply vacuum to the fuel tank and then seal the entire EVAP Running Loss system from atmosphere. The fuel tank pressure is then monitored to determine the total vacuum lost (bleed-up) for a calibrated period of time. Inputs from the engine coolant temperature (ECT) sensor, intake air temperature (IAT) sensor, mass air flow (MAF) sensor, vehicle speed sensor (VSS), fuel level input (FLI) and fuel tank pressure (FTP) sensor are required to enable the EVAP Running Loss System Monitor.

NOTE:
During the EVAP Running Loss System Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle a PCM reset with key on, engine off will bypass the minimum soak time required to complete the monitor. The EVAP Running Loss System Monitor will not run if the key is turned off after a PCM reset. The EVAP Running Loss System Monitor will not run if a MAF sensor failure is indicated. The EVAP Running Loss System Monitor will not initiate until the Heated Oxygen Sensor (HO2S) Monitor has completed.

The EVAP Running Loss System Monitor is executed by the individual components of the EVAP Running Loss system as follows:

1. The function of the EVAP canister purge valve is to create a vacuum on the fuel tank. A minimum duty cycle on the EVAP canister purge valve (75%) must be met before the EVAP Running Loss System Monitor can begin.

2. The canister vent (CV) solenoid will close (100% duty cycle) with the EVAP canister purge valve at its minimum duty cycle to seal the EVAP Running Loss system from atmosphere and obtain a target vacuum on the fuel tank.

3. The fuel tank pressure (FTP) sensor will be used by the EVAP Running Loss System Monitor to determine if the target vacuum on the fuel tank is being reached to perform the leak check. Once the target vacuum on the fuel tank is achieved, the change in fuel tank vacuum for a calibrated period of time will determine if a leak exists.


4. If the initial target vacuum cannot be reached, DTC P0455 (large leak or no purge detected) will be set. The EVAP Running Loss System Monitor will abort and not continue with the leak check portion of the test.

If the initial target vacuum is exceeded, a system flow fault exists and DTC P1450 (unable to bleed-up fuel tank vacuum) is set. The EVAP Running Loss System Monitor will abort and not continue with the leak check portion of the test.

If the target vacuum is obtained on the fuel tank, the change in the fuel tank vacuum (bleed-up) will be calculated for a calibrated period of time. The calculated change in fuel tank vacuum will be compared to a calibrated threshold for a leak from a hole (opening) of 1.016 mm (0.040 inch) in the EVAP Running Loss system. If the calculated bleed-up is less than the calibrated threshold, the EVAP Running Loss system passes. If the calculated bleed-up exceeds the calibrated threshold, the test will abort and rerun the test up to three times.

If the bleed-up threshold is still being exceeded after three tests, a vapor generation check must be performed before DTC P0442 (small leak detected) will be set. This is accomplished by returning the EVAP Running Loss system to atmospheric pressure by closing the EVAP canister purge valve and opening the CV solenoid. Once the FTP sensor observes the fuel tank is at atmospheric pressure, the CV solenoid closes and seals the EVAP Running Loss system.

The fuel tank pressure build-up for a calibrated period of time will be compared to a calibrated threshold for pressure build-up due to vapor generation.

If the fuel tank pressure build-up exceeds the threshold, the leak test results are invalid due to vapor generation. The EVAP Running Loss System Monitor will pass and complete.

If the fuel tank pressure build-up does not exceed the threshold, the leak test results are valid and DTC P0442 will be set.

5. The malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) is activated for DTCs P0442, P0455 and P1450 (or P446) after two occurrences of the same fault. The MIL can also be activated for any EVAP Running Loss system component DTCs in the same manner. The EVAP Running Loss system component DTCs P0443, P0452, P0453 and P1451 are tested as part of the Comprehensive Component Monitor (CCM).



No mention of the Message Center. I didn't see any input from the Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor on the schematic for the Message Center. The input for fuel flow comes from the PCM.

I think Opera House has it right, the PCM uses injector pulse time (and some other info) to estimate fuel use.
 












Sorry for the length of the post. I copied it straight out of the Powertrain manual on my service CD.

Dead Link Removed

Highly recommended if you do your own work.
 






Thanks for the detailed desrciption. Now I know!!

Al
 






Hey Doug, where'd you get that service CD? I'm thinkin' I could use one!
 






Originally posted by jbeckett
Hey Doug, where'd you get that service CD? I'm thinkin' I could use one!

Check on Ebay under Auto Manuals. They are usually $8 to $15 for the CD.

See this thread for additional info: Dead Link Removed
 






Would a bad EVAP cause a clicking sound by the gas cap when you shut off the Explorer and cause the CEL to come on? You had a very good post, DOG!! Thank you.

ED
 






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