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Holy Cross, CO, July 21, 2002

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Okay guys, here it is, Holy Cross, the best CO has to offer, or so I hear!!!


Here are the attendees that I've spoken to and have decided to run:

Derrick Coats (the whole reason we're going)
Rick Horwitz (said he'd be bored while Char was gone anyway)
The Schwabs (I did it before, I can do it again)
Matt Adams (as long as I still have the explorer)


Tara and I will be riding passanger with someone, just not sure who yet... I also spoke with Chris (mmpc) and he's agreed to tape the run as long as there are no schedueling conflicts :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

So there she is, who else can run it with us???
 



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What would be the minimum requirements for the trucks? 33's, lockers etc?
 






Depending on requirements on the trucks, I could maybe come. Some time around then I need to drive back from CA to TX after my summer vacation, and this would make a good detour.
 






umm Alec I'm gonna say no... this is the one and only trail I've ever been on that I've used my winch on. It's a pretty rough trail. You can always go up to french creek and turn around like the guys did last time, but I went past french creek thinking everyone was going to follow me but it didn't work out that way :).
I've got a few people coming to see the Explorer this week so I'm not sure I'll still have it by then...
 






by the way if you do this trail, be prepared to break something. Not saying you will, but its possibly. When Perry and Joe Dietz and I went up there last year we saw all kinds of breakdowns (all on Jeeps, heh heh) with problems ranging from flat tires, broken valve stems, busted axles, busted driveshafts, etc. I don't think anyone in the explorer group broke anything other then a few body kinks on my part.
 






I might still come if I can ride along. Like I said before, it's perfect timing on my trip back to TX.
 






Alec, sounds good. It is a fun trail and the more extra witnesses we've got the better :). I may go if theres some passenger space even if I don't have my Explorer (at least then I don't have to worry about breaking MY stuff, LOL)
 






Well I might as well get my name on here since it sounds like I've been volunteered for this run.

Yes it is a hard trail but it isn't the hardest trails in Colorado. There is a couple down by Colorado Springs that are less then a mile long and it takes you all day to do it.

I have heard that each year the trail changes so if you go one year you can't say it will be the same the next.

At French Creek there are some REALLY BIG ROCKS so if you can get over them you might make it to the ghost town. Then you have other trails past the city that get even harder.

Alec, if you are going to be there your more then welcome to ride with me. I should have at least one extra seat in our vehicle.

 






Originally posted by Positive Vibes
What would be the minimum requirements for the trucks? 33's, lockers etc?

Matt and I both have the 5.5" lift and 33's, locked in the rear and I knew I wouldn't be able to go over French Creek so I didn't even try. Matt had to winch himself over it and he did put a few dents in his truck.

Even if that's as far as you get the trip was a lot of fun. The day we went we counted 40 vehicles so it was a really busy day.
 

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Here is another one of French Creek. I don't have any other pictures of some of the other obsticles.
 

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umm yeah I guess so probably just to french creek but it depends on if I survive Moab or not, got the 35's today so we shall see!
 






Perry, let's tentatively say that I'll take that seat ;)
 






Hi fellow Colorado folks...Perry gave me a heads up that you were all going to head to Holly Cross. Its a little far out to say for sure but put me on the list to go.

I have a 5.5 lift, front and rear lockers. At the time I was running 32" tires. After helping Matt struggle and winch threw French creek I was not willing to beat my vehicle up that much.

A few factors determine getting past French creek. One is "where" the big rocks are. The creek moves them each year during snow melt. The other is how wet your tires get. The French creek section is a creek. Big rocks and wet tires made it difficult for highly modified heeps. Lots of wheel spin. Rocks are anywhere from knee to waist high. With the lack of snow this year the creek will be very low...unless it rains that day.

It will be cool to see Rick attach French creek. I believe he can make it over French creek with out a winch.

Its a very short run only 4 miles in total and French Creek is about 1/2 way.

Bring your camera!
 






I'll go. At least up to French Creek. I'd do French Creek if all I got was body damage, but I'd probably end up with more than that...
 






I'll hopefully spend two weeks in Colorado this july and i will try to make this part of it. My J@@p buddy is going I believe on the 12th so he'll probably be running the trail sometime like the 14th or so, but I'd prefer to run it with Ex dudes and meet more of ya. On a side note, I've began to realize that I'm getting pretty tall, Perry and Matt don't run the 3" body lift like I do. Would you say StuddedX and I could be too tall/ tippy for parts of this trail? I'll be locked both ends by then and also will have my winch bumper rocking so if I'm coming 14 hours I'll see ya at the top.
 






I'll have an empty seat :D Char is going to be in Chicago that weekend.
 






ooh ooh I call riding with Rick (if I sell my Explorer by then, LOL).
Dannyboy, there are definately some spots where being too tall would be a severe disadvantage. I wish I had some copies of the video from holy cross but there was a few spots where you would slide sideways and if you were much taller you ran the risk of getting more off-camber. I don't think you would be too high for the trail though...
 






With all the mods to Rick's Explorer he will be able to drive over French Creek with style. The biggest rocks on the far right side never move, if you are double locked and have decent approach angle with a crawler T-case (like an atlas or Marlin) hit one with each tire, straddling the gap, and it will pop over with ease. Small lifts with bad angle can't do this. The other option is to the left, the rocks move with the snowmelt and other trucks, the little guys have fun there. There is a nice shackle drilled into the rock above the obstacle for a winch mount. The trail is fairly easy after that to the city unless it has rained. An off-camber section before the old mill will pitch you left near the trail edge if it is wet. Next is the mud bog which has been getting tamer and tamer each year, plus it has winch points. Now for the fun part. Big Dawgs go up past the city (shacks & foundations) and hang right. Go past a few hard spots next to some tailings and get out and look at what you are about to attempt. Commit or turn around as it is hard to back out. Obstacle 1 is an off camber that WILL roll your truck if it is top heavy or has poor articulation (i.e. TTB). Obstacle 2 has two routes. One is a 50-60 degree slab, drivable when dry, and the other is a four tier rock wall. Pick your line carefully or major damage will happen here, particularly on the way down if you make it up. This is where Avalanche Engineerings Bruiser rolled last summer. I personally don't think any Ex would make it over this w/o damage of some sort. Obstacle 3 is a set of slabs and ledges, lockers and ground clearance required. If you get past these 3 then you will most likely make it to the Holy Cross wilderness boundry. A short hike takes you to a nice lake with a great view. All the obstacles above the city have multiple winch points to help. The winch points on #2 will keep you from doing an endo on the way down. Rick has to try these, like I said the only vehicles I'v ever seen or heard of going up are jeeps, Toyotas, and Customs. I personally like my Navajo too much to roll it on this trail so it has never gone past French Creek. Thats where the 84 Toy Crawler I built plays. This trail is tough and the reason it breaks parts is because it is so accessible to vehicles that have no business on it. You can do it with 31's but you will bash your vehicle, if you don't have a locker, forget about it. Have fun, I might crawl up there in the Toy to watch this one.
Oh, the reason I know so much about this trail is simple, I live in the Vail area and actually camped out for 6 weeks near the trail head, driving up it each night till it got dark- that's another challenge. I've been to the city four or so times and the the boundry only once. Later.
 






As Heath said, I've committed to tape this run professionally and - if it's exciting enough - might even put it together with music, etc. for other board members to enjoy... So, someone who's doing this trail, please be sure to save me a seat in your truck! :D

Perhaps we should "give it a name?" CARNAGE IN COLORADO - 2002! :bounce:
 



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Originally posted by Dannyboy
On a side note, I've began to realize that I'm getting pretty tall, Perry and Matt don't run the 3" body lift like I do. Would you say StuddedX and I could be too tall/ tippy for parts of this trail? I'll be locked both ends by then and also will have my winch bumper rocking so if I'm coming 14 hours I'll see ya at the top.

That is one thing I won't do is put in a body lift. I will cut more if that is what it takes to run the bigger tires.
Once I do the straight axle I would like to do like Rick and go wider tire, but that is a couple years down the road.
Vehicles around here are trying to stay as low as they can yet run bigger tires and still get as much flex as they can and I think that is the way to go.
If I get to French Creek and I know I can't do it without body damage I'll wait to do it another time. I'm not ready to tear up my "X", there are plenty of trails to see.
 






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