how bad is the stealership screwing me

[Dan Whitaker]

They've got other things to worry about than vehicle safety

No.

Hillary lives in NY.

 

[blackout881]

finally! passed my inspection. didnt have to pay for it either lol. today was a good day.

 

[Joe Dirt]

that's all fine and dandy, but what about the poor people in New York?

 

[Nasty XLT]

Nice. My brothers explorer just failed. I have to adjust his shift cable and his emergency brake.

 

[Cobraguy]

Nice. My brothers explorer just failed. I have to adjust his shift cable and his emergency brake.

So you are talking about a safety inspection instead of an emissions test?

 

[Nasty XLT]

Well about my brothers truck yes. But in general Im talking about inspection. Im not sure of how you guys state does it but we have to go through every two years and when we go they check safety and emissions at the same time.

 

[Alaskanredneck]

Not to get too off topic but i used to work at a dealership and i often had customers come in to fix the problems that the other shops just threw parts at to try and fix. I even had one guy that paid meinekee $780 to fix a cel problem, first it was this sensor then it was that one but they kept getting the same code. Finally he came over to us told us the code which happend to be a dpfe sensor, i had him in and out in a half hour for under 200 bucks. He was so happy he bought me lunch and a 6pack of very expensive beer. And meinikee would not give him any refund for there stupidity!

 

[briwayjones]

Not to get too off topic but i used to work at a dealership and i often had customers come in to fix the problems that the other shops just threw parts at to try and fix. I even had one guy that paid meinekee $780 to fix a cel problem, first it was this sensor then it was that one but they kept getting the same code. Finally he came over to us told us the code which happend to be a dpfe sensor, i had him in and out in a half hour for under 200 bucks. He was so happy he bought me lunch and a 6pack of very expensive beer. And meinikee would not give him any refund for there stupidity!

That's why you don't go to Meinekee for anything but a muffler. I don't know I would even go there for that.

 

[Alaskanredneck]

I wouldent even go in there to use the bathroom they would most likley steal my wallet midas is the same way!

 

[Nasty XLT]

Hahahaha thats true. Im glad I work for a dealership. I have all the lifts and everything i need.

 

[gijoecam]

NJ now hooks directly into your computer and if you just had a light reset it will tell you when. The reason they do this is because people were having the engine lights shut off and going right through. So now they make you drive 100 miles to make sure its not going to come back on. Look it up.

There is no specific mileage that must be driven. Neither New Jersey, nor any other state, can tell WHEN your ECU was reset. They can tell that it was reset, just not when. There's nothing to look up; the ECU does not contain some sort of internal clock. You look it up.

I paid $200 to get an 02 sensor replaced about 2 years ago. Like others have said, price seems fair.

Sounds like highway robbery to me... Seriously, $200 for a $50 part?? It's an oxygen sensor... For one sensor, it shouldn't take more than 1/2 hour, especially with a lift and the proper tools. Unplug the old one, pop a socket on it, and crank it loose. Maybe even use some penetrating oil or heat-wrench if necessary, but $150 for labor??? Come on!!

 

[Nasty XLT]

That depends on if the o2 sensor was only $50. Also it is 100 miles. That is what happened when I went through state inspection so im not sure where your getting your info from. Im just going by what the state inspection told me when I failed.

 

[gijoecam]

That depends on if the o2 sensor was only $50. Also it is 100 miles. That is what happened when I went through state inspection so im not sure where your getting your info from. Im just going by what the state inspection told me when I failed.

The state doesn't have a clue what driving cycles are necessary to complete the diagnostics. They may *recommend* driving it another 100 miles in the hopes it will complete the diagnostic subroutines, but they have no clue what was programmed into the ECU by the factory.

There is no specific mileage that will complete it. It's all about certain parameters being met.

Don't believe me? Read for yourself:

I/M Readiness Code​

The readiness function is implemented based on the J1979 format. A battery disconnection or clearing codes
using a scan tool results in the various I/M readiness bits being set to a “not-ready” condition. As each noncontinuous
monitor completes a full diagnostic check, the I/M readiness bit associated with that monitor is set to a
“ready” condition. This may take one or two driving cycles based on whether malfunctions are detected or not.
The readiness bits for comprehensive component monitoring, misfire and fuel system monitoring are considered
complete once all the non-continuous monitors have been evaluated. Because the evaporative system monitor
requires ambient conditions between 40 and 100​

​

oF and BARO > 22.5 " Hg (< 8,000 ft.) to run, special logic can
“bypass” the running the evap monitor for purposes of clearing the evap system I/M readiness bit due to the
continued presence of these extreme conditions.​

Evap bypass logic for 1997, 1998 vehicles:​

If the evaporative system monitor cannot complete because ambient temperature conditions were encountered
outside the 40 to 100​

​

oF and BARO range at speeds above 40 mph during a driving cycle in which all continuous
and non-continuous monitors were evaluated, the evaporative system monitor is then considered complete due
to the continued presence of extreme conditions. If the above conditions are repeated during a second driving
cycle, the I/M readiness bit for the evaporative system is set to a “ready” condition. (Note: Some 1997 and 1998
vehicles do not require catalyst monitor completion to bypass.)​

I don't see anything about '100 miles' there...​

edit: Every parameter it monitors has a certain frequency or monitoring duration. Some are continuous, some are periodic... e.g. the H2OS response rate is monitored every 4 seconds. The Torque Converter Clutch monitoring duration is 5 lockup cycles... They're all different. 100 miles may hit most of them during most operating conditions, but it's not the law, and certainly not programmed into the ECU that way,.

 

[Nasty XLT]

Thats cool im glad you have the time to waste on looking that up lol. I was just saying what my state told me that is all. Cool though good info. Let them try to pull that crap with me again.

 

[Driveway2fast]

I think the state inspector is just giving you a "rule of thumb" answer for getting all the sensors to report. The probably run into this alot with people dumping their error codes in hopes of passing an emission test. When the inspector tell tham they are not all reporting they ask "When will they all be ready and how long do I need to drive it". So instead of explaining to the person who dumped their codes the ins and outs of the monitors and drive cycles, they say 100 miles.

the OBD-II CM does not store milage or time.
There are a number of sensors (I'm at work and dont know off the top of my head exactly how many) that state inspections view. They are either rdy, not ready/reporting or not supported. If any of the monitors that are supported are NR then they cannot "Test" untill they are. Depending on which monitor it is it can be ready is as short as a few miles to many miles. Generally driving in both city and Hwy driving conditions for a day will get them up to speed (Generally). You should get a print out of the monitor status when the system is not ready.

80% of the time this is because someone has dumped their codes using a scan tool or battery disconnect to try to pass an emission test. They dont realize it also dumps all diagnostic info stored as well and the sensors have to do thier job to get that diagnostic info back (usually the trouble code comes back too) before the system can be tested at he inspection station.

 

[antonyct2004]

i was one of those drive cycle suckers!

hey everyone,
i having that same problem replace everything on my truck and still got those the dam code,but some give me a link to learn more about obd2 crap,well see for you self-http://www.obdii.com/drivecycleford.html.this will explain everything you have to do get truck running right,but that ford for you,and instead fixing these problems they know about,they won't.well let me know what you guys think!