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I've got a 2003 Explorer XLT, that I recently replaced the front upper control arms, lower ball joints, and bearings. I took it to have the front end aligned (Firestone) was told the caster split was 1.4 degrees, and I needed an adjustment kit to fix it and that they graciously offered to install for $400. Since I do a lot of my own wrenching, I thought I'd buy the kit and install it myself and then have them do the alignment. I ordered the Moog k80112 kit and it'll arrive in a few days. After looking at the kit, and at my upper control arms, I'm confused as to where these units are installed...I've attached pics of my control arms and the Moog kit. Can someone tell me where these units are installed? Is it between the control arms and the frame, which would be the two bolts sticking up in the front of the pic ? Is it on the bolts that hold the arm with the upper ball joint to the arm that bolts to the frame, which would be the nuts on the left and right end of the arm in the pic? I'm sorry if this sounds nooby, but I'm just not getting it...

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Thanks for any help.
 



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Did you ever get this kit installed? How did it go?

I have this kit installed, as well as the ones for the rear installed. Everything went swimmingly. I can elaborate if necessary. It's actually quite simple.


-Dubya
 






I have this kit installed, as well as the ones for the rear installed. Everything went swimmingly. I can elaborate if necessary.


Please do elaborate. Im not sure what's included in each kit or how many are needed for front and back. A step by step on where to install them would be great too. Are these a good investment even if I only have a small spacer lift?
 












I've got a 2003 Explorer XLT, that I recently replaced the front upper control arms, lower ball joints, and bearings. I took it to have the front end aligned (Firestone) was told the caster split was 1.4 degrees, and I needed an adjustment kit to fix it and that they graciously offered to install for $400. Since I do a lot of my own wrenching, I thought I'd buy the kit and install it myself and then have them do the alignment. I ordered the Moog k80112 kit and it'll arrive in a few days. After looking at the kit, and at my upper control arms, I'm confused as to where these units are installed...I've attached pics of my control arms and the Moog kit. Can someone tell me where these units are installed? Is it between the control arms and the frame, which would be the two bolts sticking up in the front of the pic ? Is it on the bolts that hold the arm with the upper ball joint to the arm that bolts to the frame, which would be the nuts on the left and right end of the arm in the pic? I'm sorry if this sounds nooby, but I'm just not getting it...

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Thanks for any help.

$400 for 30 minutes work?? I hope you told them to kiss your A _ _ !! I am pretty much a Noob but after looking at the video shared by esclamada I think even I could do this and I will if it becomes necessary.

Repair shops take advantage of customers who are lacking in knowledge and use that as an excuse to rob them blind and then wonder why they have such bad reputations!
 






What I'm suspecting is that the replacement upper control arm is not within the OEM spec and throws out the camber alignment. Normally you don't need these alignment kits unless you're lifting or lowering your suspension.

Or those lazy *******s just doesn't spend time to figure out what's the issue. It could be that the shims were not installed right on the control arms.



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I put these on mine too but only the fronts.. I haven't had to mess with the rear..they go on from underneath and they work awesome.. You can adjust the wheel to anywhere you want it.. Then you have to realign the toe.. I put these on following a deer hit.. Dub is right they make alignments and adjustments easy
 






Sorry for responding late. I always tell myself I'll write up a nice post when I get home from work and then forget. I'll do my thing tonight!
 






Sorry for responding late. I always tell myself I'll write up a nice post when I get home from work and then forget. I'll do my thing tonight!


Looking forward to it. Thanks!
 






Alright so here is the quick run down of these kits. I may over-explain some concepts so that the future forum browser may find some useful info.

In alignment, Toe is a deviation of your wheel from left to right in a typical turning fashion. Camber is a deviation of your wheel's vertical straightness (top of the wheel tilted towards or away from the wheel well). Caster is a deviation your knuckle's rotation about the center of the wheel/axle. Caster is the least important and relevant to our applications. Our discussion focuses on camber.

Your front upper control arms mount to the frame of the vehicle by two downward facing studs passing through an elongated hole each. This elongation can best be described as widest left to right. This means that if you were to have the control arm detached from the knuckle and loosely fitted into those two elongated holes, you would be able to slightly shimmy it towards and away from you if you were to face the side of the wheel well. This means the holes are not very wide. Maybe an inch or less of play. Thus we can conclude that if the control arm is shimmied towards the wheel well, the top of the wheel would tilt inward as well, and vice versa.

Out of the factory, Ford new exactly the right position for these control arms studs to be located in the elongated hole for perfect camber alignment. So they included a locking shim with each hole that restricts the placement of the stud within that elongation. Each shim is basically a washer with a hole the exact size of the control arm stud that uses two tabs to lock it's location and restrict the stud placement to just the right spot. Without these locking shims, the studs could potentially 'lose their place' in the elongation and need alignment constantly.

When our suspension geometry changes and we need to be able to adjust the position of those studs in the elongation for correct camber, we're given two options.

The cheapest is to buy some heavy duty regular washers and replace them with the locking washers. They will give the studs their bearing surface on the frame for loads but will no longer restrict the stud position. This is a cheap option, but it's disadvantages are twofold- first, the fact that the washers do not lock means that it is possible for the alignment to get thrown out of whack more easily with the right jolt to the suspension. (The only thing keeping those studs in their spot would be the clamping action of the nut on the stud). This means more potential alignments. The second is that it makes it more effortful to make more precise and gradual adjustments in the shop, since the position of those studs will rely on a technician pushing and pulling to get them in the right spot (essentially).

The second option is to buy a camber adjustment kit such as Moog offers. While more expensive, the kits give you the chance to have a washer-mechanism that provides accurate adjustment with a wrench (via a hex nut) and the ability to lock that adjustment in so it doesn't get out of whack. I'll spare you my attempt to explain how it works. All I can tell you is that it looks like some impossible contraption until you have it in your hand. Then it makes brilliant sense as you install it quick as as flash while laughing at how simple it really is. I even was lazy and installed them without disconnecting any of the suspension or ball joints ;)

The price? A bit much to be honest. But the craft is top notch in my opinion. Each wheel kit is sold separately, meaning one front wheel had two adjusters - one for each stud. The backs follow the same principle, except there is one adjuster per wheel. Doing those will make sense once you've seen and done the fronts. I moved quick and did all four corners in about an hour tops.

I have a lifetime alignment package with Firestone (I actually have a good one by my house a stone's throw away) and have coil spacers and BTF control arms. The extra changes in my geometry led me to believe that it was a good investment and I still am happy I made the move to invest in them. I have the piece of mind of knowing I have rock solid alignment that can be tweaked as necessary anytime. My understanding is that these trucks will NOT be within alignment spec if you have coil spacers without removing the locking shims. The camber simply won't be right.


Hope this wasn't too long winded or hard to stay awake reading. I wanted to get it all out there as a reference to others later on.

Standing by to answer any more questions.




-Dubya
 






Once again .... Nicely done!!!
 






Here is what I understand thus far and some follow up questions:

Your front upper control arms mount to the frame of the vehicle by two downward facing studs passing through an elongated hole each.

  • Order MOOG K80111 x 2 (2 nuts and shims per kit)
  • Remove front upper control arm vertical facing factory nuts (2 per side) and factory shims (2 per side)
  • Install MOOG K80111 (2 nuts and shims per side)

The backs follow the same principle, except there is one adjuster per wheel. Doing those will make sense once you've seen and done the fronts.

  • Order MOOG K80112 x 2 (1 nut and shim per kit)
  • Remove rear factory nut and shim (1 per side)... from where? rear upper control arm? rear lower control arm? front or rear nut on control arm?
  • Install MOOG K80112 x 2 (1 nut and shim per side)

My understanding is that these trucks will NOT be within alignment spec if you have coil spacers without removing the locking shims. The camber simply won't be right.

Good to know. I've recently installed a lift kit and after reading this and a similar thread, I'm leaning towards installing a camber kit as well. I have brand new tires and had it aligned to bring the camber within spec. Even though the camber numbers meet the factory acceptance criteria, the numbers for the right side of the vehicle are way off from the left. In addition, I measured the heights to the bottom of the fenders and the right side is about 1/2" taller than the left. I'm hoping that the camber numbers and fender height are directly related and that a camber kit will correct the issue.
 






I'll quote myself from another old post I dug up:

Kindly ignore the red arrows (dug this from Google, don't have my workshop manual handy).

Note parts #15 on the underside of the frame mount location by which the control arm studs pass through and are secured by a lock nut.

You can see how on my old shim there is a faint oval outline of the frame hole where those studs can be adjusted back and forth (yet the shim locks them into one spot).

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Those lock shims (#15) are what the Moog adjustment kit replaces. They attach to the underside of the frame rail, with the little tabs (that I'm holding) pointing towards the middle of the control arms - you can see how the faint elongated hole is the area of allowed adjustment.

I honestly can't remember the specific place on the rear knuckles that the adjusters fit for the rear. I can assure you that I went into the rears blindly and it then became apparent once I had the wheels off and already tackled the front. I promise you that.
 






Another picture I snapped today with the rough idea of those locking shims. Properly oriented, the two of them would actually be upside down in relationship to the control arm and places under the frame rail that those studs slide into.

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-Dubya
 






On the rear it goes on the back bolt of the lower control arm.. There's a shim back there that it replaces.. It really adjust the camber.. Following my lift I flipped the factory shim and got what I needed so I haven't had to put on the backs yet.
 






I have recently replaced front upper and lower ball joints and inner and outer tie rods on my 2005 ford explorer. My alignment shop tells me that I need the camber adjustment kit installed, so I am going to save a buck and install them my self. Since I have been working on the area I have a general understanding, however, before I dig in I just wanted a little clarification. I realize that this kit eliminates the stock spacers. My question is... The kit comes with a nut, a cam nut, and a washer/spacer with elongated holes. Does the washer/spacer go into the same position that the stock spacer comes out of? If it does, will it be obvious to me how to position the washer/spacer? From the picture, it looks like it has two little nibs on it. Do these little nibs go into the holes that the stock spacers hooked into? Then I assume the cam nut followed by the nut replace the stock nut on the bottom. This all might make sense to me when I receive the kit. I am just trying to think ahead.

If what I described above is true then it will be a piece of cake and I will not have to pay the $$ that the shop wants.

Thank you in advance for your help!!!
 






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I recently replaced both of my front UCA's and all tie rods but did not have the new adjusters in hand so I put back the factory shims instead. I flattened them out as the hooks did not fit into the holes of the new UCA's. I figured the alignment shop would just install these new adjusters when they did the alignment.

I took it for the alignment yesterday but was told the caster/camber is still in spec with those bent up factory shims I put back in!! I sent back the new adjustables for a refund! I wasn't expecting the caster to be in spec, that's for sure! In fact, the only thing that was slightly out was the toe!

My mechanic told me that my 2003 UCA's don't really have a whole lot of movement in them so they really don't come out of alignment. My truck rides beautifully!
 



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Thanks for the education. After I saw that I could buy all 6 kits for $196 and avoid $800 in labor, I went back to TIRE KINGDOM and canceled my $1000 appointment for camber adjustment. While the cashier wasn't looking, I peeked at the alignment machine readout page and saw that the camber was never out of spec!!!

I thought I was looking at 3 graphical representations of my wheels from across the parking lot, but a close-up look showed me there were 6 fields on that page. Three for front and three for rear. All 6 displays were in the green before I got the car back to await arrival of parts for the camber adjustment.

I just saved over $1000 by knowing what to look for. Thanks to this Forum and no thanks to TIRE KINGDOM.
 






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