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Brian A

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after seeing LD50's very helpful thread on the Explorer forum, I decided to dive into this on my 97

if anyone is interested I can post my progress.

I have never done this before, but I am sure I can handle it

I just started hacking it it today after work, so its not too late to build a thread on it

I hope to get the Lion's share of it done by the end of the weekend

thanks
 



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At the least, post up some pics- help is always welcome, and there isn't a plethora of Aerostar writeups around... :thumbsup:
 












Please make a thread on this. Most Aerostars & first generation Explorers have rotten rocker panels. Are you going to custom bend metal, get metal off of another Aerostar or use PVC?

none of the above.

I bought a brand new o/e style die formed rocker. It goes wheel-to-wheel for the right side.

I am done with the removal, I have been taking pics along the way.

I hope to complete it today (to at least make it driveable anyway)

I will put together a thread on it then

thanks
 












Where did you buy a brand new rocker panel?

actually there are quite a few places if you do a search.

I got mine from http://www.tabcobodyparts.com/

They have 2 rocker styles. One is a "slip on" the other is "OE Style"

I got the OE one after talking to Don there. He was real helpful.

The rocker from them was about $44, plus about $20 for shipping. I thought that was very reasonable. Others wanted more. One place, Raybuck, wanted $35 just for a handling fee on top of the part and shipping.

Heres a pic of how it looks so far, its not completely done but its driveable.

I cut out a part of the rear fender since it was pure rust and is going to get changed, I will detail that when I post the story

I am really tired so I will post a series of pic tomorrow

thanks
 

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well...

havent had the time to work on resizing pics etc

if anyone wants me to email them, let me know

I will try to get back to this sometime this weekend
 






Brian- looks much better!

If you host free on Photobucket, you can post all you like...
 






Brian- looks much better!

If you host free on Photobucket, you can post all you like...

good idea

I do have a photobucket account.

I will give that a try

thanks, and thanks for the compliment!

The van was a bad van today though. The alternator took a crap on the way to work, on the way home I blew a front tire doing 55. And it was on the side of the new rocker. I was afraid it shredded and messed up the rocker, luckily it did not.

so instead of buying more body parts I gotta fix this crap instead.

I just got the van from my bro in law, I am nursing it back to health after years of neglect by him.
 






I think you should post your brother's email. We'll spam him for neglecting the van.






J/K :D
 






I did the rocker panels on mine 3 years ago. My van never had alot of rust. When I bought it in August of 2001, it did have bulging between the plies and very minor rust through on the sill of the passenger front door. It never got much worse, though. When I fixed it in 2007, it only had pinholes in the one under the driver door and a hand sized hole in the big one on the driver side. It had a silver dollar sized hole in the dogleg and some moderate sized holes under the sliding door. I bought aftermarket rockers.

Even though mine never had much rust, I still had to do some serious patching of the inner structure. Most of the bottom of the inner rocker was very thin or gone. The bracing inside the front rockers was also bad and I just cut it out as it is near impossible to patch it and re-weld it blind. My new rockers were alot heavier guage than the originals and would more than make up for the weakening of losing the inner bracing. It is also less likely to rust as it is now all single ply in the sills.

The one under the driver door was a piece of cake. I just used the part you can see from outside and spot welded it just inside the door jamb. I calked it smooth and it is nearly invisible. Still looks good after 3 1/2 years. I could have done it perfect with Fusor and Bondo on the seam where it steps up to the sill inside the jamb. .

The big one behind the driver door was a nightmare. I made the mistake of trying to use the whole panel because I always try to weld between two bodylines if they are close together to cut down on warping. Well, the top bodyline on the POS aftermarket panel is not formed right for this and was not bent anywhere near the right angle. I had to rebend it on the brake and the bodyline doesn't match exactly with the door. It also needed some massaging near the wheelwell as it is doesn't have the complex curve to match the slight flaring of the wheelwell. If i did it again, I would use the least amount necessary of the new panel and Fusor it on to eliminate warping. If it would have had the flange for the seam as the OEM panel does, I would use it all and Fusor it on just below the seam after spreading existing the seam and forcing a small amount of the flange into the seam.

The passenger side one was the worst. Again, I tried to use all of the panel because it was actually alot less welding. The rocker I got was not anywhere near the right contour. I used the whole damn thing and almost all of what I welded it to was the factory structure. I also made the mistake of doing it with the doors off. Well when I went to bolt the doors back on, the edge that runs along the door openings was 1/2" too high and 1/4" too far back. I ended up having to mount the doors so they slightly overlap the rocker. When you buy this Chinese crap, you never assume it is formed anywhere near correct, even though it is just as easy to do so and looks real pretty. This is on a vehicle that has new paint from the windows down and will look like it rolled off the showroom floor after a little polishing.

I also didn't weld them along the pinch weld on the bottom. I bought a box of 1/4"X3/4" pan head bolts and nuts to attach them there. That way the undercoating on both the inside structrure and the rockerpanels wouldn't be distrubed to cut down on rust.

I really don't recommend doing what I did if you are restoring the van to the level I have. Most Aerostars in my area have coilstock pop-riveted to the big rocker and more coilstock or duct tape on the smaller ones. The aftermaket panels are a good alternative to this for a rough-n-ready job, probably pop-riveted on over the old ones and spray bombed at most. They would also be good if you are using just small bits of them like I should have done. When you go to the trouble I did, I would use OEM panels if you can get them.

When you get down to it, these vans aren't really worth the money it takes to fix them right, which is a shame because I prefer it to the 98 Explorer I had. Probably the best way to get a really nice AWD unit is to find a southern or western 2wd van with no rust and transfer the trans, transfer and front end to it. It would probably have been less work that what I have in mine. Especially if you can find one with nice paint. I probably have 50-60 hours it including the Bondo, glazing and paint. I'm never going to get that back when I sell it. Having to deal with rust down the road is the main reason I don't plan on keeping it for a long time.
 






thanks for the post. very interesting

I am still working on mine and do plan on posting it when I am done.

The rocker I bought fit perfectly. I got it from a place in Ohio, they actually make them, they have a made in USA sticker right on them. For some reason there are about 3-4 places online I have found them at, they are all in the Cleveland area.

Anyway, I took a break from it for the week since its been raining and crappy and I needed to get away from it anyway.

Today I am going to make a small patch panel for the area between the back end of the rocker.

We will see how that goes lol
 






I got the small patch on yesterday afternoon and I am suprised at myself.

It came out real nice I think. I work in a automotive engineering test lab and we are setting up a new lab and throwing away a lot of unused stuff. I grabbed some sheetmetal that was headed for the recycler to use for small patches. Its actually panels that were used in some test equipment, kind of like what you would find in a computer case. Its the same gauge and has a real tough paint job on it.

I had a piece of cut off rocker that was still solid and used that as a jig to bend the patch and match the profile of the rocker. Then I took a piece of cardboard and made a pattern of the patch area that I could transfer to sheet metal.

I grabbed several pieces of the patch metal. Before I did any seam welding I used it to practice on so I would hopefully not mess up the weld I need to do. Its a small weld but I did not want to mess it up.

I have one of the Harbor Freight 110 flux welders. Its works fine for thicker stuff but does not dial down low enough for sheetmetal very well.

There are a few ways around the heat problem, one way guys use a copper backer to absorb the heat, but i could not get anything behind the weld. No access.

I read one guy on a post that put a dimmer switch in his power cord. No way I would do that, they are not designed for that kind of current. But it gave me an idea.

I used a 100ft ext cord with the welder. That cut down on the power going to it and it worked great for the tack welds. I dont think this is great for the welder but for this limited use I think its fine.

I also took my time between welds and cooled the metal off with compressed air.

After doing this for a while, and grinding between weld sessions to check my work, I have it good enough for some putty to smooth it out. Then I quit for the night.

Today, I am going to continue on and I have a hand held sandblaster that I am going to hit the weld with to remove any scale I could not get to with the grinder and get the rest finished, and hopefully get some more pics and details up.
 






Looking forward to seeing the results! It's refreshing to see something on an Aero for a change! :thumbsup:
 






Here are some random pics in no particular order.

In this one, I wanted to show I did not take off the sliding door. I just unbolted the bottom slider. Tried to make my life as easy as possible

You can see where I cut the old rocker off

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Another view of the rear part

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this is the B Pillar area and you can see where I started cutting away the innner rocker


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this is where I made my big mistake. This piece was not wide enough, even though it looks like it. Make it wider, you can always cut it off later, I had to weld a piece to the bottom of it after the rocker was installed and that sucked!!!

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here are a few pics of the rocker just held in place to give an idea lf what it looks like

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I still had to remove that rusty corner, how to fix that area ended up being the biggest challange.

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this is what it looks like now, the sliding door still needs to be done yet. I am going to replace the lower panel. the patch I made by hand is the small piece in front of the rear wheel up to the lowest body line. I still need to trim a little of the lower lip. The only part of the job I am not real happy with it the lower lip. Its kind of uneven from having that inner piece too short, I did not realise at first and clamped it in place, started welding then realised my mistake. By the it was too late, I could have drilled the plug welds out and started over but i can live with it as is. Its not real obivous unless you look for it.

another tip I did not see in any thread on this is disconnect your battery before doing any welding. Better safe than sorry

any questions, fire away. I do have more pics if you want anything in particular.

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