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Lower ball joint help.

norton155

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97 xlt
The lower ball joints on both sides of my 97 XLT are shot. I am going to attempt to replace them myself, but I have a few concerns. First, if I am only doing the lowers, do i still need to remove the knuckle from the uppers? Also once I remove the tie rod ends, and everything else from the lower control arm, is there a danger of the torsion spring slamming it down into the ground? should i have a jack stand underneath it? How about the axel nut, should I break it loose witht the wheels still on and the truck on the ground, or will I be able to able to remvove it with the wheel and rotors and whatnot off? I read the two or three write ups on this and still had a few questions. Thanks for reading my post and helping. Any advice will be much appreciated.
 



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Your on the right track. Undo the axle nut with the wheels on the ground as it is 200lb torque. Yes you will have to remove the hub completely so be careful of the abs sensor cable. The torsion bars will not slam the wish bone to the ground but you will need to support it whilst you hammer out to old joint. I found it easier to tie the driveshaft up out of the way to the upper wish bone.
 






Howard gave the right advice above. Definitely remove the axle nut while the wheels are still on the ground. Unless you have a high-powered air impact, you will have to work to get them off.

Then, safely lift up the truck and remove the brakes and unit-bearing hub. If that hub is even suspicious, this would be a great time to replace it. I've seen the hub being the problem instead of the ball joints, but I did have to replace both hubs and joints on my 97.

Pressing out the old joints and pressing in the new ones is straight forward if you have a ball joint press. If you don't have one, check out Harbor Freight. They often have a press on sale for under $30. Works for an occasional at home job, and it will also do a great job on u-joints. Just make sure you get your cup arrangement correct so that you have a place to press the joint into - otherwise you'll bend up the press by pressing against itself. It generally takes a couple of extra hands to hold everything in place.

The torsion bars will only drop just so far, otherwise they would slam to the ground every time you went over a big bump. No worries there. If you are worried about them, you can relieve some of the pressure by simply turning the screw that jacks them up and down, which is about mid-point of the truck at the far end of the bars. Go easy here -- don't totally remove the screws and MEASURE the height of the fender lip first so you can get it back to where it was.

Instructions for a torsion twist here:

http://www.explorer4x4.com/torsionbars.html
 






Lower Ball Joints

The lower ball joints on both sides of my 97 XLT are shot. I am going to attempt to replace them myself, but I have a few concerns. First, if I am only doing the lowers, do i still need to remove the knuckle from the uppers? Also once I remove the tie rod ends, and everything else from the lower control arm, is there a danger of the torsion spring slamming it down into the ground? should i have a jack stand underneath it? How about the axel nut, should I break it loose witht the wheels still on and the truck on the ground, or will I be able to able to remvove it with the wheel and rotors and whatnot off? I read the two or three write ups on this and still had a few questions. Thanks for reading my post and helping. Any advice will be much appreciated.


I just changed mine. Go to my photo gallery and I have pictures and here is a write up. www.explorerforum.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=61587 On the photo galley at the bottom click on sort and it will sort the pictures in order.

Replacing lower ball joints, new brake rotors and brake pads. This is kind of a duplicate of NCC instructions on ball joint replacement. I removed the hubs, which he did not but I was nervous about breaking the CV joints apart to make room. The hubs are easy to remove and it gives more room replacing the ball joints.

This is on a 2000 Eddie Bauer all wheel drive, which should be the same on all 1995 through 2001. I replaced the ball joints with grease zerks and brake rotors and brake pads.

Tools that I used:
Set of deep Metric sockets, 8mm to 32mm. (I used impact sockets). (Deep 32mm socket or 1 ¼” deep socket).
Heavy duty ½” drive breaker bar. (3 ft) (Or standard breaker bar with pipe extension that will slip over breaker bar).
Torque wrench ½” drive up to 150 ft/lbs. (250 ft/lb would be better).
15mm box end wrench.
5/16” socket 3/8” drive or just 5/16” wrench.
3/8” drive breaker bar. (To tighten 15mm hub bolts).
3/8” drive short extension.
½” drive ratchet.
Ball ping hammer. (Good size).
8 or 10” C clamp.
Ball Joint remover. (Harbor Freight $39.00).
Medium screwdriver.
Adjustable pliers.
Needle-nose pliers.
Rubber mallet.
Snap ring pliers. (Medium size).
Floor jack.
Two jack stands.
Several short pieces 2X4’s
Safety glass.
Blue Thread locker, Brake cleaner, anti-seize & penetrating oil.
Some rags


Before jacking the vehicle up. Remove the hub caps and using a 32mm or 1-1/4 inch deep socket and a good breaker bar loosen the axle nuts. Also a good idea too loosen the wheel lug nuts. Then jack the vehicle up and put jack stands under the cross member. Be sure you apply the vehicle’s parking brake. Then remove the wheels.

Now you can remove the brake caliper. There are two bolts on the back side of the steering knuckle requiring 15mm socket. Remove the caliper off the rotor. Using a piece of wire, tie the caliper up out of the way. Tie it up under the fender, well out of your way. You will find two small clips screwed on two of the lug nuts holding again the brake rotors. Remove these using a small screw driver and hammer. Now the rotors just float on the hub but may be rusted to them. Mine came off pretty hard. A few good whacks with a big hammer and they will come off.

Next removed the splash shield fastened to the steering knuckle. Three small bolts hold it use a 5/16” wrench. Then removed the axle nut that holds the hub on the axle. There are three bolts on the back side of the steering knuckle holding the hub. Remove these three bolts using a15mm socket. Also remove a small clip holding the wire going to the hub. The clip is held with a small bolt 3/16 wrench. Removed this clip and another clip that the wire went through fastened to the frame. Then slide the hub off the axle. I laid it on a wood stand I had. Lay it on a box or anything to get it out of your way. With the two clips removed from the wire you have plenty of wire to get the hub out of your way. I took a small piece of rag and wrapped it around the axle with a wire tie to protect it. Next removed the tie rod end from the steering knuckle. Removed the cotter key and nut using 21mm socket and then with a couple hits with a hammer on the side and one with the nut on the end of the tie rod it came right out.

Start with the upper ball joint. There is a bolt that goes horizontally through the upper shaft of the steering knuckle. Remove this bolt. Some say this bolt comes out hard. Mine was real easy to remove. One thing I have been using is what is called Freeze-Off super penetrate. It really cracks rust. I got it at a Napa store. They say it is the best they ever found. Now remove the cotter key at the bottom of the lower ball joint and the nut. A few goods whacks with a big hammer and the steering knuckle came off in my hands.

With the axle tied up as high to the front of the vehicle as possible you have plenty of room to work on the lower ball joint. I used a piece of wire tying it up as high as possible. Removed the snap ring using a pair of snap of ring pliers. I tried to drive the ball joint out but it did not want to move. I had purchased the ball joint remover from Harbor Freight. After figuring it out, it worked great. Be sure to use the largest ring that comes with the press to push the ball joint through. I used it to push the old one out and the new one in. I did have the new one in my freezer over night and that does help to put it in. I do not thing I would have needed the press to push them. Be sure to install the grease jerk so it is possible to grease it when every thing is put back.

I cleaned the steering knuckle up real good and put anti-seize lubricant where any joints were to go through. I put some grease around the area where the axle goes through and hub fits to. I then put the steering knuckle back in place. First put it on the lower ball joint and put the axle through where it goes. With the nut on the bottom of the lower ball joint slide the top ball joint back down on the steering knuckle I used a small bar pushing the upper ball joint down on the steering knuckle. Slip the horizontally bolt back and tighten the nut on it. Now you can put the tie rod back to the steering knuckle. Tighten all the bolts up lightly at this time. Remove the rag off the axle and grease it lightly. Slid the hub on the axle and run the axle nut up to hold the hub in. You can use a bar to hold the hub from turning. Replace the three bolts from behind into the hub that hold it to the steering knuckle. Put the wire clips back in place that holds the wire running to the hub.

Now you can torque the bolts down. Lower ball joint 83 to 113 ft/lbs, Upper spindle pinch bolt/nut 30 to 40 ft/lbs. Tie rod end 51 to 73 ft/lbs. Be sure to put cotter keys in the tie rod and lower ball joint. I was unable to get a torque wrench on the three bolts that hold the hub to the steering knuckle. The torque is 70 to 80 ft/lbs. I tighten them with a 3/8 inch drive socket with a long breaker bar knowing they are tight. I also use blue thread locker on all the bolts.

I then installed the new brake rotor. Raised the hood and removed the cover from the brake fluid reservoir. Siphon out a little of the brake fluid. Removed the outer brake pad. Using a C clamp push the inter brake pad all the way in. Then clean the caliper up with brake cleaner and replace the pads. Slip the brake caliper on the rotor and put the bolts in that hole caliper. The torque on these is 73 to 97 ft/lbs. I also used blue thread locker.

I double checked every thing again and put the wheel back on. This completed the right side. Now after I complete the other side and have it back on the ground I will tighten the axle nuts to around 200 ft/lbs of torque.

This was my first time of replacing ball joints. This Explorer only has 39,000 miles on it. The vehicle looks like it just came out of a show room. It has never been off hard service roads. It was my wife’s vehicle and she drives about 6,000 miles a year. I have a 2002 Sport Trac that I traded for a new Edge for her. I decided to keep this Explorer for myself as clean as it is. The last time I took it in for service they said the radiator was leaking, which they replaced. I also had the transmission flushed, the fuel filter changed and they said it needed the lower ball joints changed. After spending about $800.00 at the dealer and they quoted me $450.00 to change the lower ball joints. I told them that was enough for now. I decided to change the ball joints myself. I just decided to go ahead and put brake rotors and pads on at the same time. One rotor did have some grooves in it. After tearing it down I do not think it even needed ball joints. I could not get any play out of them. When I get done it should be like new.
 






Great write up Jerry:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
It's great to see new members jump in and help like you did.:)
 






Thanks a lot guys. Looks like ill be able to tackle this on Saturday. Im buying the ball joints at Autozone and they have a free loner tool program so the ball joint press is covered.
Jerry thanks for that great write-up, ive read it several times already and I think it helps everyone a lot. Looks like im going to have to take off the knuckle cause im not too comfortable popping CVs apart either. Thanks again, this is such a great site!
 






Do you guys think I will be able to break the upper ball joint bolt and axle nut with a $50 electric impact wrench I picked up at Harbor Freight? Should I go back and get the 1/2" breaker bar and a piece of pipe also?
 






The top ball joint bolt should only require a 3/8 drive ratchet on one side & a wrench on the other.

No way is that electric impact going to break the axle nut loose. You will need a min 24" breaker bar to get that sucker loose.

I have an air impact (not a Snap-On though) & it had a hell of a time breaking it loose.
 






Axle Nut

Do you guys think I will be able to break the upper ball joint bolt and axle nut with a $50 electric impact wrench I picked up at Harbor Freight? Should I go back and get the 1/2" breaker bar and a piece of pipe also?


I was concerned about the axle nut also. I would take a deep scocket (1-1/14 or 32 MM) and a breaker bar to loosen the axle nut. If you have a short piece of pipe you will have no problem breaking it loose. When you tighten it back use the breaker bar with a piece of pipe and tighten it about as tight as can get it. (200 ft lbs). Have the weight of the vehicle on the ground. The upper ball joint is a bolt that goes horizontally through the upper shaft of the steering knuckle. It is only about 30 to 40 pounds torque. Before you start get you some good penetrating oil and spray on all the bolts you will be taking out even the axle nut. I got some called Freeze-Off super penetrate. It really cracks rust. I got it at a Napa store. It is not as big of a job as it sounds and looks. The write up I did is long because I tried to put every step in it. It took me over five hours but I was taking pictures and cleaning every part as I went. It is about a three to four hour job. If you have any question feel free to call me 712-647-2208 or cell phoe 712-592-1064.
 






Thanks everyone. Jerry did you reuse the axle nuts, the Chilton's manual I have says to they should never be re-used. I didnt have a chance look into it further today. Do dealers stock these? I'll have time to figure it out cause I can't get them done tomorrow anyway. Have to go into work for most of the morning. It will give me a chance to pick up a breaker bar and torque wrench. Im not happy about it though cause tomorrow is supposed to be almost in the 50's here. Midwest heat wave.
Anyway do ball joints typically make a lot of noise when they first start to go? My front end was squeaking really bad right after the two big snow storms we got here in Chicago (2-3 weeks ago). Thanks again guys!
Carl
 






I re-used the axle nut on mine with no problems. You can get them from the dealer but they are $15 a piece:eek: Plus the will probably have to order them.

O'Reilly's sells them but they do not stock them either. The mfg is Dorman & the part # is 615-072.
 






depends on what kind of squeak and when it squeaks my balljoints in my ranger went out bad and the only time i could tell was when i turned you could hear them knock back and forth in the socket but i never fixed it. Hell it was just an old truck
 






Axle Nuts

Thanks everyone. Jerry did you reuse the axle nuts, the Chilton's manual I have says to they should never be re-used. I didnt have a chance look into it further today. Do dealers stock these? I'll have time to figure it out cause I can't get them done tomorrow anyway. Have to go into work for most of the morning. It will give me a chance to pick up a breaker bar and torque wrench. Im not happy about it though cause tomorrow is supposed to be almost in the 50's here. Midwest heat wave.
Anyway do ball joints typically make a lot of noise when they first start to go? My front end was squeaking really bad right after the two big snow storms we got here in Chicago (2-3 weeks ago). Thanks again guys!
Carl

Yes I reused the axle nuts. I ordered them from two Ford dealers and neither one of them could get them. They both said they reuse them. Only way I could get them is order the complete axles. Auto parts stores do not show they can order them. I used the blue lock tied, which you can purchase at any auto parts store. I used that on most all the bolts holding the hubs and brake calipers.
 






I re-used the axle nut on mine with no problems. You can get them from the dealer but they are $15 a piece:eek: Plus the will probably have to order them.

O'Reilly's sells them but they do not stock them either. The mfg is Dorman & the part # is 615-072.

This Dorman nut is for a spindle, not the axle lock nut. I couldn't find the axle nut listed on Dormans site. Must be a dealer item.


Excellent write up.....Thanks:thumbsup:
 






Spicer 8164253. About $3 each.
 






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