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My 97 explorer xlt

My 97 explorer xlt has a timing chain issue and ive seen postings on line that this is common

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Kev K

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1997 explorer xlt
I just recently bought a 97 Explorer XLT and I've come across some things online stating that there's a problem with the timing chain cassette and other numerous problems that this vehicle has hi it's $600 for this Explorer and it has a hundred sixty thousand original miles on it the truck is pretty straight pretty clean but it has the timing chain issue can anybody advise me of know how much around is going to cost to fix
 



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What is it doing exactly
 






I just recently bought a 97 Explorer XLT and I've come across some things online stating that there's a problem with the timing chain cassette and other numerous problems that this vehicle has hi it's $600 for this Explorer and it has a hundred sixty thousand original miles on it the truck is pretty straight pretty clean but it has the timing chain issue can anybody advise me of know how much around is going to cost to fix
Welcome to the forum.

97 was the first year of the SOHC V6, and the timing cassettes were the weak spot in the engine. If it’s the rear cassette, the engine must be removed from the truck to repair it properly.

If the chains are rattling very loudly, I wouldn’t drive the truck until it’s addtessed. As the cassette fails, chunks of plastic guide can make it to the oil pan and block the oil pump pickup, starving the engine of proper oil flow. Also, if the cassette completely fails the timing chain can actually develop enough slack to allow the cam to ‘jump’ out of proper timing. When that happens the pistons could hit open valves, seriously damaging the engine.

There is no recall for this.
 






@Kev K - I'm going to be brutally honest with you.

The timing chains are for sure the Achilles heel of the 4.0L SOHC engine. This is well documented. The problem that leads to the death of the engine is timing chain cassette failure. Timing chain rattle starts with hearing rattling at cold start. This can be due to the timing chain tensioners. The tensioners rely on oil pressure to tension the timing chains. As oil pressure isn't available until after the engine starts you get rattling until oil pressure fills the hydraulic tensions (one for the front timing chain and one for the rear timing chain). If the problem is the rear chain some have installed a manually adjustable chain tension. This tensioner does not rely on oil pressure to take the slack out of the rear chain and hence eliminates the noise at start-up. If the noise is in the front chain, you can try replacing the front hydraulic tensioner, but depending on how much slack is in the chain replacing the tensioner may not help. With age chains stretch and the longer the chain the more it stretches (the 4.0L SOHC has 2 very long chains) so even if your chain cassettes are still in tack you may have noise. Once the timing chain cassettes break your engine's days are numbered as eventually a chain will become so loose it will jump-time (or even break). It is not a matter of if this will happen, but when. Also, as someone previously stated, the broken pieces of timing chain cassettes will block the engine's oil pickup, which will cause a loss in oil pressure.

The SOHC engine with it's long timing chains and use of a jack-shaft to spin the right side's cam plus the use of hydraulic tensioners is a poor design. Some engines experience TC noise with as little as 75,000 miles (or less). Some report going 300k without issues, but these people seem to be in the minority.

As far as what it will cost to replace the timing chain cassettes once they've failed, it depends on which cassette has failed. This is because the engine must be removed from the vehicle to replace the right side cassette. A complete timing chain component replacement job is typically in the $2300 range. The left cassette can be replaced with the engine still in the vehicle, so that's a less labor intensive job. Same for the front jack-shaft chain tensioner.

So, what will it cost to eliminate your rattle depends on where it's coming from and what's causing it. The least expensive fix is to replace the rear hydrualic chain tensioner with the manually adjustable chain tensioner, which is a Polaris part and runs around $50-$60 plus installation and is fairly easy to do.

If I were inclined to put money into a 22 year old Ford 4.0L SOHC engine, which is rattling, I'd begin by removing the lower oil pan and see if you find a broken pieces of tan colored plastic. If you do your timing chain cassette(s) have failed and you're looking at a pretty big job to a huge job depending on which cassette has failed.

Let's assume that you spend the big bucks to have both timing chain cassettes replaced (plus incidentals) that you use quality replacement parts and that you can find a qualified mechanic to do the job for around $2300. Your next area of concern with the V6 engines is the somewhat weak automatic transmission, though the 97's 4-speed trans may be a bit stronger than the 98-forward 5-speed trans. A trans rebuild will run you another $2200 or so.

Frankly, I don't believe putting over $2000 into a 22 year old vehicle is worth it. I also believe that owning a 22 year old vehicle is a bad choice if you have to pay someone to make repairs to it.

IMO you got burned buying a SOHC V6 Explorer, but you're certainly not alone. Ford continued using this engine through 2010 w/out ever fixing the problems with it.

BTW - A remanufactured SOHC engine runs around $3900 + labor and used salvage yard engines can be a bad choice because all the SOHC engines ('97-2010) suffer from the same problems.

It's not clear if your saying you only paid $600 for this vehicle. If that's the case I'd just drive it into the ground and then look for another $600 vehicle. Who knows, you might get a year+ out of it.
 






@koda2000 nailed it
here is a pic of the manual tensioner

Still need more info to help

Why can't we make a aluminium backed guide an fix this problem ourselves I don't have the knowledge or I would have done it by now

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First of all id like to thank you for your time and the info you have given to me here in the forum. I was afraid of the news id be receiving as to this issue at hand but im not surprised to say the least, im not really a ford knowing guy as ive built a few streetable chevys in my days. I have just acquired this explorer for $600 and with 160.000 original miles on the clock the truck is in pretty good shape considering it being 22 years old. I have a pretty good mechanic that is going to assist in the attempt to repair the damage to the cassettes/chains and see what can be done to extend the life of this error that Ford has created ... So with that being said there was one other thing that id like to ask and that is , is there anyway to maybe swap out the motor with say. Something that doesn't have the issues this 4.0 has and do you think it would be too costly ?
 






Search 5.0 swap

Ps if you do decide to fix the 4.0 a pre oiler will fix the problems by applying oil pressure to the tensioner s so the chains don't slap around on a cold start breaking the guides which is the reason they fail imo it will make the chains guides and tensioner s last a whole lot longer... I'm not sure how long because as far as I know no one has reported a failure with the use of one
I'm using one now on my 1 year old engine worth every penny
 






What is it doing exactly
When the truck is started and until its turned off its making the rattling sound funny though it sounds like a diesel engine sort of but it doesn't seem to have any loss of power and im not sure exactly how long its been like this as i just got the truck and the owner prior didnt seem to know what the noise was coming from and had told me the engine and trans were strong and he had used the explorer as a daily driver. I of course started to investigate the known problems that this vehicle might have via online and came up with the many listings of so many different problems people have had and therefore the chain-cassette info..
 






Koda2000
As to what youve said here and to clarify , i only paid $600 cash for the explorer. Yes and as to driving it imto the ground ? Sounds reasonable to me and who knows how long that might take to do ? I am in southern California so odds are it wont take that long at all but all in all its not a bad buy for what i paid for it even with the issues it has . so again id like to thank everyone herein for the help you guys have given and i will keep ya posted as to the status of my xlt...peace
 






If it is rattling all the time and sounds like a diesel then you need a complete timing chain job
Or just buy a new engine I paid 2500 for my new engine with a 100.000 mile warranty but surprisingly the timing guides were fine when we took the valve covers off
 






First of all id like to thank you for your time and the info you have given to me here in the forum. I was afraid of the news id be receiving as to this issue at hand but im not surprised to say the least, im not really a ford knowing guy as ive built a few streetable chevys in my days. I have just acquired this explorer for $600 and with 160.000 original miles on the clock the truck is in pretty good shape considering it being 22 years old. I have a pretty good mechanic that is going to assist in the attempt to repair the damage to the cassettes/chains and see what can be done to extend the life of this error that Ford has created ... So with that being said there was one other thing that id like to ask and that is , is there anyway to maybe swap out the motor with say. Something that doesn't have the issues this 4.0 has and do you think it would be too costly ?

The 1995-2000 Ford Explorer was available 3 engine choices. The 4.0L OHV, the 4.0L SOHC and the 5.0L V8. The 5.0L V8 is the best choice with the 4.0L OHV coming in second. All 3 engines will install in the Gen II Explorer, the 5.0L requiring the most things be changed. The 5.0L V8 is the best choice, but you really need to find a complete donor vehicle to make sure you have all the various pieces/wiring harnesses needed. The 4.0 transmission will not bolt up to the 5.0 engine and there are many other pieces that are needed to do a 5.0L swap so just having the engine, transmission and ECU/harness are not enough. Finding a 5.0L donor that's been rear-ended would be ideal. The 5.0's can easily run for 300K+.

A swap to a 4.0L OHV would be easier, requiring less parts be changed, but the 4.0L OHV is not w/out it's own issues (like cracked heads) and is lower on power. Still, the 4.0L OHV is a very reliable engine.
 






My V8 - V6 story.

I was driving a 97 5.0 that I backed into a light pole. I went out to look for another Gen2 explorer looking for V8. A neighbor had two cars and wanted to sell one of the two. One was a 99 V6. I brought it to my shop on a day the main guy was out. I mentioned timing chain issues with the V6. They gave it a clean bill of health regarding engine and transmission. Based on clean bill of health I bought it. Few days later the main guy is back and I bring it in for inspection. RIght away he says 'timing chain problems'.

All of my driving is at night on I80 from NY to PA a distance of 250 miles in each direction. Few days later I gave away the V6. Maybe it would have run only days - maybe years but I did not feel comfortable driving the 250 miles at night. Years earlier I had a 2002 V6 die on Friday night at midnight on I80. The tow truck guy almost got killed getting it off the highway,

Few days after I got rid of the V6, I bought another 97 V8 AWD (even same color as original).
 






The rear cassette requires engine or transmission removal, but if this is fixed and the rest of the engine is in good shape, you should be good for a long time. The original cassette lasted 160k, after all. The rest of the motor is reasonably stout and offers a good mix of performance and fuel economy. It would not be worth the trouble to try and swap to a different motor.
 






The rear cassette requires engine or transmission removal, but if this is fixed and the rest of the engine is in good shape, you should be good for a long time. The original cassette lasted 160k, after all. The rest of the motor is reasonably stout and offers a good mix of performance and fuel economy. It would not be worth the trouble to try and swap to a different motor.

The lower end of the SOHC is very bullet proof. It will basically last forever. I think I read where the 4.0L OHV and SOHC use the same lower end. IDK if that's true but the OHV lower end is considered "bullet proof".
 






The rear cassette requires engine or transmission removal, but if this is fixed and the rest of the engine is in good shape, you should be good for a long time. The original cassette lasted 160k, after all. The rest of the motor is reasonably stout and offers a good mix of performance and fuel economy. It would not be worth the trouble to try and swap to a different motor.
There’s no guarantee this is the first set. It could fail twice in 160k, especially if cheap parts were used and oil changes were stretched.
 






Mine lasted 280000 plus miles on it with original timing components
I say fix it then get a pre oiler problem solved
 






Mine lasted 280000 plus miles on it with original timing components
I say fix it then get a pre oiler problem solved

I thought you said you had a rebuilt engine put in your SOHC? Is that a different SOHC you have?
 






I thought you said you had a rebuilt engine put in your SOHC? Is that a different SOHC you have?
I did put in a rebuilt engine at 280xxx miles
Or so
The oil spray bars above the cams were clogged
Which destroyed the top end
it ran just fine just sounded bad i thought it was timing chains guides it did rattle on cold start but when we got the engine out to our surprise
The timing components were fine the chains were stretched I'm sure
I was gonna replace the whole truck but my wife Jessica wasn't having it so I had to get bent over lol
 






@koda2000 nailed it
here is a pic of the manual tensioner

Still need more info to help

Why can't we make a aluminium backed guide an fix this problem ourselves I don't have the knowledge or I would have done it by now

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If you have a cam alignment toolset you cold measure the length of the dummy (fixed length tensioner) and post a pic of it.
 



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I hear ya ! Well i think i may have come across something related to the timing chain issue but far cheaper and alot easier i seen on YouTube and that is the chain tensioner bolts , yep i think that these bolts being replaced will fix my rattling chain... This morning when i fired up the explorer the rattle was like almost non existent i was sitting and idling from a cold start and the rattle was really light so i thought that was a good sign .. Any thoughts on this ??
 






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