My Hydrogen Cell Works

[bwingler]

Hi All,
I had hernia surgery yesterday and haven't been doing much. To answer some of the questions, i do not use a voltage regulator. I use neutral plates. I stack the cell with 9 plates starting negative, 3 neutral, positive, 3 neutral, negative. I have no need for a voltage regulator. My cell only gets warm not hot. So far i have not had to add any water and i can fell a difference in power when i turn it off. I have not filled up with gas yet so i will know what my mileage is as soon as i do. We will see if i do better then 17 mpg.

That ebay cell at 200 degrees is way to hot. My amps have dropped to twenty after 3 days and my voltage is 5.70 volts. My cell runs cool enough that i can house it in plastic, pvc or lexan. As soon as my parts come i have started building an electronic throttle control with pulse width modulation to increase on demand amperage for more instant gas output when you hit the gas petal. I plan on tying it to my throttle position sensor. Will let every one know how that works. I am still working on my website. Any web site builders out there that would like to help me out would be more then welcome.

I will post more when i feel a little better. Woke up in a lot of pain so i that i would check out the forum. My pain pill is starting to kick in.

Later,
Barry

 

[Rick]

Good luck with your recovery

 

[BrooklynBay]

I hope that you feel better soon. I would recommend not connecting anything to the TPS. It might interfere with the PCM. Connect a nitrous switch to the throttle to kick in at wide open throttle. MSD also makes an RPM controlled switch which is adjustable. Why would you want to make a PWM output when you could just have it kick in at wide open throttle? Will your PWM use an LM555 chip? Do you want to use mosfets or bipolar power transistors for the output? What frequency range will it run at? Some stores sell either prewired boards or kit. Keep in mind that there is a lot of ignition noise which could throw off the timing of a LM555 in an automotive environment. I've had better results with this chip compared to its low power counter part LM7555.

 

[pavodive]

spark delay

Hey, very interesting job!

I'd like to ask only one question: what did you do to adjust the delay of the sparkplugs firing?
I've read before that H2 boosters were easier to install in old-style carburator cars, as delaying the firing of sparkplugs was just a matter of turning a few degrees. With the quick ignition of H2 enriched mixture, I'd be afraid the actual explosion of the mixture is taking place before the TDC (Top Dead Center), and thus putting the piston rods (and to some extent the crankshaft) under undue stress.

This very matter is what actually has kept me out of the hydro-arena for some months now...

Thanks,
G.

 

[trucku]

Wouldn't the knock sensor allow for the computer to adjust the timing?


I am wondering what does the introduction of Hydrogen to the burn process do to your O2 readings and how would that affect fuel delivery (rich, lean)

 

[BrooklynBay]

This was one of my concerns in post # 6.

 

[BrooklynBay]

I'm thinking that dumping hydrogen into the mixture would cause it to burn less gasoline. It would burn the hydrogen to compensate for the oxygen being pumped into it (along with hydrogen of course).

 

[trucku]

This was one of my concerns in post # 6.

Oh..lol. I read the thread some days ago. Musta forgot.

 

[IZwack]

I'm thinking that dumping hydrogen into the mixture would cause it to burn less gasoline. It would burn the hydrogen to compensate for the oxygen being pumped into it (along with hydrogen of course).

I agree and see yout point.

Now I'd like to see some numbers from this device

 

[V8BoatBuilder]

Very intriguing. This has potential to increase gas mileage by converting electrical energy (which the car has a surplus of, and is "free" while running on gasoline) into combustion energy.

The laws of physics prevent the device from running the car entirely, because energy is lost in the multiple conversions from electrical to gas to rotational, and back to electrical.

 

[CDW6212R]

Interesting, more more more. Regards,

 

[BrooklynBay]

Here is another interesting articledead link)

 

[BrooklynBay]

This article has a few links
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[Hokie]

I'm thinking that dumping hydrogen into the mixture would cause it to burn less gasoline. It would burn the hydrogen to compensate for the oxygen being pumped into it (along with hydrogen of course).

An O2 sensor would see this as an addition of fuel and would assume the engine is running rich, adjusting your AFR until it reads the % of 02 in the exhaust stream that it wants.

O2 sensors recognize the amount of 02 in the exhaust stream. We run into this alot in the gas compression industry where you will have a crappy fuel (lots of CO2, low BTU/Methane #, etc) and the engine runs like crap b/c there is not enough "fuel" in the fuel stream to support the combustion process.

 

[Hokie]

Hey, very interesting job!

I'd like to ask only one question: what did you do to adjust the delay of the sparkplugs firing?
I've read before that H2 boosters were easier to install in old-style carburator cars, as delaying the firing of sparkplugs was just a matter of turning a few degrees. With the quick ignition of H2 enriched mixture, I'd be afraid the actual explosion of the mixture is taking place before the TDC (Top Dead Center), and thus putting the piston rods (and to some extent the crankshaft) under undue stress.

This very matter is what actually has kept me out of the hydro-arena for some months now...

Thanks,
G.

If this is done on a SOHC engine with knock sensors then the ECM should automatically retard the ignition timing. However, 1st Gen explorers (and 5.0 V8?s) don't have knock sensors so you'd have to run a higher octane fuel to ensure that the increased flame speed (due to the addition of hydrogen) would not cause you to pre-ignite.

This, of course, is assuming that you are adding enough H2 to make a difference on the combustion characteristics.

FYI: For CNG engines, adding 20% of H2 by volume (7% by energy density) will significantly reduce your NOx emissions. Using this on a large scale produces amazing results (ie: hydrogen leveraging)

Oh yeah, some of the leading Hydrogen combustion research has been performed at Colorado State's Engines and Energy Conversion Laboratory (where I will be starting my grad research in August)

Check out Hythane www.hythane.com and Westport Innovations www.westport.com to learn more about Hydrogen fuel blending and hydrogen leveraging. Westport has a Joint Venture, CumminsWestport that provides CNG and HCNG solutions for industrial applications right now

Now is a good time to be in the energy business

 

[slpdave]

Check out www.switch2hydrogen.com, I have been following their website for about 2 years now. They have some interesting reading on their version of powering a vehicle by hydrogen. If their claims are true, with couple of solar panels you can power your vehicle basically for free. Only time will tell since they are involved in a legal battle with the govenment.

David

 

[Gator Jeff]

...they are involved in a legal battle with the govenment.

I guess certain people are worried that it would steal profits from our "friends" in the Middle East.

 

[CDW6212R]

There's an industry that we need to advance a great deal. Solar energy is the most abundant right now, but the amount that can be absorbed by small panels at the moment is very minute. Hopefully some improvements will be made like what occurs in PC's all the time. A gain of five or ten times current technology could make solar energy use explode.

 

[BrooklynBay]

Here's a diagram from that website:

 

[BrooklynBay]

I came across this video clip on Youtube. It appears to be a little make shift, but it demonstrates how electrolysis works, and how simple it is for anybody to do on their own.