New motor is here. 305cu

[awdrocks]

That's what I'm talking about! Looks good but I don't know anything about motors. 305 cu means what? I'm guessing the 305 is inches, like 302? What makes this 400 hp or more? Thanks, I'm sorta stupid when it comes to stuff like that.

Just remember ... the only stupid question is the one you dont ask

You are right on the CI senorio.

I really dont know yet how much ill be pushing. But the supercharger at 9psi should give just under 100 extra horsies and im guestimatig that the combination between the much bigger pistons, bigger valves, worked heads, agressive cams, electric fan, headers and the entire free flowing exhaust with no cats and wider tubes should be giving me another 100+ horses

 

[Joey P]

Thank you for the answer! I'm interested to see how it all comes together once it's installed.

 

[rocket 5979]

hehe.. thanks

This puppy is going to be all go and no show

I can understand that, I just want to seel my damn extra alternator! lol. I paid a crap-ton for my new one from PA Performance and am trying to get some money back from the stocker.


All go and no show my ass! Have you taken a look at the exterior of your truck lately? Not exactly humble. hehe.

 

[awdrocks]

All go and no show my ass! Have you taken a look at the exterior of your truck lately? Not exactly humble. hehe.

hehe... i new I set myself up for that one

 

[awdrocks]

Well im breaking her in.

I am so happy she's running like a dream so far. Idles like a kitten. Gotta love the cams. I did my first oil change after the initial 20 mile break-in. Flushed the tranny also.

She started on the first flash like she never came apart.

Doing Xcal2 and LM1 logging and getting the final tunes from MD to dial her in. Thank you Ken.

Modular Performance, im a VERY satisfied customer and its everything I wished for. Thank you.

Tomorrow is polish and detail day and im finishing the new cluster location by the front cigarette lighter.

Will have pics and sound clips soon

Alex

 

[rocket 5979]

Well im breaking her in.

I am so happy she's running like a dream so far. Idles like a kitten. Gotta love the cams. I did my first oil change after the initial 20 mile break-in. Flushed the tranny also.

She started on the first flash like she never came apart.

Doing Xcal2 and LM1 logging and getting the final tunes from MD to dial her in. Thank you Ken.

Modular Performance, im a VERY satisfied customer and its everything I wished for. Thank you.

Tomorrow is polish and detail day and im finishing the new cluster location by the front cigarette lighter.

Will have pics and sound clips soon

Alex

I am glad to hear you got her running and are tinkering around with it now. On a separate subject, I finally ordered my built shortblock from VT today. Here are the specs:

Stock bore/stroke 4.6
Oliver billet I-beam rods
8.5:1 diamond pistons
8 bolt Windsor forged crank.
Billet oil pump gears.

I decided against a stroker or big bore because with the Kenne Bell 2.2 I will be making enough torque anyways. I didn't want to sacrifice durability or rev range for displacement, let alone severe tractions issues. lol. Well man I don't mean to steal your thread. Just wanted to let ya know the good news. After this it is onto tackling the tranny. Yay! hehe...

Keep us informed once you get that puppy dynotuned. I want to see what kind of numbers it puts down. I am willing to bet your torque numbers will be pretty insane!

 

[awdrocks]

I am glad to hear you got her running and are tinkering around with it now. On a separate subject, I finally ordered my built shortblock from VT today. Here are the specs:

Stock bore/stroke 4.6
Oliver billet I-beam rods
8.5:1 diamond pistons
8 bolt Windsor forged crank.
Billet oil pump gears.

I decided against a stroker or big bore because with the Kenne Bell 2.2 I will be making enough torque anyways. I didn't want to sacrifice durability or rev range for displacement, let alone severe tractions issues. lol. Well man I don't mean to steal your thread. Just wanted to let ya know the good news. After this it is onto tackling the tranny. Yay! hehe...

Keep us informed once you get that puppy dynotuned. I want to see what kind of numbers it puts down. I am willing to bet your torque numbers will be pretty insane!

Yes im very happy. I can only imagine its going to run better and better... I only have 20 miles on her.

CONGRATS on your upcoming build!!!

Bet your excited. Good move on the stock stroke. The BB is great for unshrouding the valves, and true HP/TRQ gains with or without other mods. But yes I agree... nothing more durable than a stock bore and stroke. One thing that's on our side is that we will never rev these SUVs to 7,500 - 8,000 rpms and no clutch dumping... so they should hold just about anything we throw at them. But yes you will have some traction problems!!! lol

Yeah I cant wait to get my 2.3ax. That's when she's really going to wake up. The motor is optimally built at CR for 16psi and a NOS shot of around 75hp. Right now I have her at 5psi. She's tame but runs awesome. I haven't gotten past 4k yet but man do the cams start to wake up then .

Yeah tranny next for me. Yikeee (yeah right lol)

Before my build I would boost around 5.5psi.... I seem to have lost almost an entire point at about 4.5 + or so now... that just shows how much better this motor is flowing.

This weekend will finally be the first time in an entire year that I can enjoy her and take her out to do my everyday things.

Oh another thing I LOVE... when she first started... a SMALL puff of smoke came out the tips... and that's it.... there is absolutely no smoke coming out ever now... solid solid build.

So have you decided what cams and heads?

 

[rocket 5979]

Yes im very happy. I can only imagine its going to run better and better... I only have 20 miles on her.

CONGRATS on your upcoming build!!!

Bet your excited. Good move on the stock stroke. The BB is great for unshrouding the valves, and true HP/TRQ gains with or without other mods. But yes I agree... nothing more durable than a stock bore and stroke. One thing that's on our side is that we will never rev these SUVs to 7,500 - 8,000 rpms and no clutch dumping... so they should hold just about anything we throw at them. But yes you will have some traction problems!!! lol

Yeah I am. I was going to order my SB about 1.5 months ago but I decided to wait a little while to time the arrival of it with my moving into the house I will be buying soon. It would be a total joke to attempt an engine pull/install in my current garage. lol. While we may not be planning to do clutch dumping launches or revving really high, we still will be putting more than our fair share of stress on the connecting rods and pistons through just making the power that we plan to. I was toying with the idea of going forged and saving $1,000 but I opted for billet just to play it safe so that if I ever decided to throw a big shot of nitrous on there to try for 10's that I would have the room to do so. As for traction problems? I have them now... hehe. Once you repulley/retune for 9 psi and get on the gas after the break in you should have worse traction problems than I do! hehe.

Yeah I cant wait to get my 2.3ax. That's when she's really going to wake up. The motor is optimally built at CR for 16psi and a NOS shot of around 75hp. Right now I have her at 5psi. She's tame but runs awesome. I haven't gotten past 4k yet but man do the cams start to wake up then .

That 2.3 Whipple will really wake that combo up! Let alone the shot if nitrous.

Yeah tranny next for me. Yikeee (yeah right lol)

I feel ya, yay is code for PITA!!! hehe. I might still persue my original idea of swapping to a standalone 4R70W tranny instead. Only reason is because if I do encounter breakage it will be alot cheaper to replace or fix.

Before my build I would boost around 5.5psi.... I seem to have lost almost an entire point at about 4.5 + or so now... that just shows how much better this motor is flowing.

Gotta love that! Hopefully that M90 won't have too much a problem keeping up with the motor in the upper rev range. hehe.

This weekend will finally be the first time in an entire year that I can enjoy her and take her out to do my everyday things.

Oh another thing I LOVE... when she first started... a SMALL puff of smoke came out the tips... and that's it.... there is absolutely no smoke coming out ever now... solid solid build.

So have you decided what cams and heads?

I will stay with my stock heads for a little while even after the build to see what I can make. Along with the build I will be swapping to some VT blower cams though. Then later on when I swap to VT stage 2 heads I can swap the cams over too. Like we talked about before I was toying with the idea of Patriot heads, but since I decided to let VT supply me a SB I might as well stay with them. With Patriot it is hit or miss. I have encountered people that totally loved them and got great numbers from them with zero problems, and then I also seen people that hated them. With VT I know that at least if they happen to miss or otherwise mess something up they will back their product 100%.

 

[rocket 5979]

So, when do you plan to put that thing back on the dyno and see what it can make with the new combo once broken in?

 

[awdrocks]

So, when do you plan to put that thing back on the dyno and see what it can make with the new combo once broken in?

I did my dyno tune today... 537rwhp........ sike!!! I wish. Im doing LM1/Xcal2 tune her for now.... I have no local dynos, but hopefully soon ill have the opportunity to drive out to get it. Closest one is about 1,000 miles away

While we may not be planning to do clutch dumping launches or revving really high, we still will be putting more than our fair share of stress on the connecting rods and pistons through just making the power that we plan to.

I agree but they will take a beeaating.

I was toying with the idea of going forged and saving $1,000 but I opted for billet just to play it safe so that if I ever decided to throw a big shot of nitrous on there to try for 10's that I would have the room to do so.

Yeah better safe then sorry... but as long as I stay under 7k my crank will take it (as I cross his fingers ) And my crank will spool up quicker because of the weight... lol... just messing with you... ide rather have your billet.

As for traction problems? I have them now... hehe. Once you repulley/retune for 9 psi and get on the gas after the break in you should have worse traction problems than I do! hehe.

No way JOSSEEE... Im AWD!!! I havnt even tried yet but I dont think I will even chirp off the line... especially with 295's on all four corners.

I feel ya, yay is code for PITA!!! hehe. I might still persue my original idea of swapping to a standalone 4R70W tranny instead. Only reason is because if I do encounter breakage it will be alot cheaper to replace or fix.

Yeah im still in the air about this one... just so much easier to do the swap, and I like the low 1st. hmmm. I might go for the core swap. Yeah im going for the 5r55, and the ATLAS TC will bolt right up

Gotta love that! Hopefully that M90 won't have too much a problem keeping up with the motor in the upper rev range. hehe.

You say it as a joke... but that is absolutly right.. theres no way this SC will keep up at high revs.. even at 9psi. It will probably drop boost at the top.

Originally posted by awdrocks:
This weekend will finally be the first time in an entire year that I can enjoy her and take her out to do my everyday things.

hehe... I spoke to soon... if you havnt yet, get a hi flow radiator. Because mine isnt cutting it. I have my baby sleeping while I shop for a new radiator.

Along with the build I will be swapping to some VT blower cams though. Then later on when I swap to VT stage 2 heads I can swap the cams over too.

Yeah good choice. Ive heard great things about VT. My three choices of builders would be MP, RENAGADE and VT. BB with MP, heads with Renagade and forged standard bore and stroke with any of them. They all three will do a first class build on any of those three choices.

Well with the new radiator I should finally be on my way to home plate. Well thats before the next round of innings lol (tranny, SC etc)

 

[rocket 5979]

I did my dyno tune today... 537rwhp........ sike!!! I wish. Im doing LM1/Xcal2 tune her for now.... I have no local dynos, but hopefully soon ill have the opportunity to drive out to get it. Closest one is about 1,000 miles away

Hehe, you didn't have me with that one! hehe. If you would have said it made around 400rwhp I may have believed ya. lol.


No way JOSSEEE... Im AWD!!! I havnt even tried yet but I dont think I will even chirp off the line... especially with 295's on all four corners.


With the power you will eventually be making with the 2300 you just may be surprised how much traction issues you will have even with AWD.


Gotta love that! Hopefully that M90 won't have too much a problem keeping up with the motor in the upper rev range. hehe.


You say it as a joke... but that is absolutly right.. theres no way this SC will keep up at high revs.. even at 9psi. It will probably drop boost at the top.

Oh I meant it being serious. I just included the hehe because I like to try to keep my posts lighthearted. Big bore modular engine with head work and blower cams doesn't mix well with a Heaton in the upper rpm range.

Well even though you cannot get it to a dyno too soon a good street tune will be able to tell you about what your putting out. After all it is for the quickness and not the numbers anyways. It sure does surprise me how many of us racer types get that backwards at times.

 

[awdrocks]

Well even though you cannot get it to a dyno too soon a good street tune will be able to tell you about what your putting out.

Yep!!! I also have the GTech PRO.... see what kind of numbers that thing shoots me .

Well I have another mission. Don't think this one should be hard. I DEFINITELY want the tranny lever in the center council. I hate it on the steering wheel. I feel like I have a lot of un-usable power now. From a dead stop its fine where it is. But when im driving now and I want to drop some gears I REALLY have to slowly step on the gas when im cruising so she drops to a nice gear... and it feels to sluggish to make her down shift, not a peppy feel... I don't know if you know what I mean, not like having the lever in the middle and getting in gear almost like a stick. And to use the steering lever like a semi stick is to uncomfortable and its easy to miss shift.

With the lever in the center you can easily downshift a play much easier and its just MUCH funner.

I will look into the new X's level mechanism or the 05' mustangs. That should be cake right? Besides making a hole on the floor and adapting the council ect I don't see a reason why it wont work.

Im also contemplating now maybe going with the KB 2.2, for one reason ... price. I can most likely find a nice used KB at a decent price, with the AED 2.3 I will most likely have to buy it brand spankin new. I can see me spending half on the KB.

Did you just buy a 2v PI Mustang KB complete kit and fab it on?

 

[rocket 5979]

Yep!!! I also have the GTech PRO.... see what kind of numbers that thing shoots me .

Yeah, I keep forgetting I have one of those too. hehe. Maybe one day for fun I will bust it out. It was ok but not really too accurate for the power estimates when I used it before but its a decent estimate. Once I actually am able ot start autoX'ing the LS I will use it for measuring corning G's to see how much I can pull.

Well I have another mission. Don't think this one should be hard. I DEFINITELY want the tranny lever in the center council. I hate it on the steering wheel. I feel like I have a lot of un-usable power now. From a dead stop its fine where it is. But when im driving now and I want to drop some gears I REALLY have to slowly step on the gas when im cruising so she drops to a nice gear... and it feels to sluggish to make her down shift, not a peppy feel... I don't know if you know what I mean, not like having the lever in the middle and getting in gear almost like a stick. And to use the steering lever like a semi stick is to uncomfortable and its easy to miss shift.

That would be cool. I had thought about that when I was toying with the idea of going with a manual VB 4R70W tranny. That was before I found out about the standalone tranny computers. It would be a cool idea to do so. For a sports car or truck I would prefer a floor/console mounted shifter for what your talking about. With a good tranny tune you should be able to get the responsiveness your talking about.

With the lever in the center you can easily downshift a play much easier and its just MUCH funner.

I will look into the new X's level mechanism or the 05' mustangs. That should be cake right? Besides making a hole on the floor and adapting the council ect I don't see a reason why it wont work.

Im also contemplating now maybe going with the KB 2.2, for one reason ... price. I can most likely find a nice used KB at a decent price, with the AED 2.3 I will most likely have to buy it brand spankin new. I can see me spending half on the KB.

Did you just buy a 2v PI Mustang KB complete kit and fab it on?

The brand new Kenne Bell 2.2 kit went for about $5,300 or so when I bought it. That was with military discount too. The Allen kit I have seen advertised for around $4,600. It may be just as cheap to do the Allen Whipple 2300 kit even when compared to a used Kenne Bell 2.2. The only reason is because buying a used Kenne Bell there can be problems with the generation your getting which can have various problems from shooting oil out there snout when under heavy load and stuff like that. The new ones don't have these problems of course, but being that you may be buying used you could run into that. I also had to buy a new alternator to be able to fit with the Kenne Bell too. I found out the hard way the our Explorer alternators have slight design variations in their bracketry that doesn't allow them to bolt to the KB front end. With the current electric fan you have in there you would very likely have to replace that too as it will be way too thick to fit in between the relocated alternator and the radiator. I have an ultrathin flexalite dual fans and I still had contact. I also had to modify the driver side fuel rail to fit under the boost bypass valve too. Very tight fit! Just a few things to think about that might even the price of a used KB 2.2 versus a new Whipple 2.3 out for ya.

BTW I did go with a Kenne Bell 2.2 supercharger assembly that was intended for the 99-04 2v Mustang GT. It isnt really a kit though. Quite a few things I couldn't use and or had to extensively modify to get to work. This will strike you as funny I bet, The only reason why I decided for the KB versus the Whipple was because I liked the sound more. There may be unique installation issues with the Whipple kit too. I guess in the end it is a gamble either way. If either one were easy everyone would have a Kenne Bell or Whipple on their Explorer.

 

[awdrocks]

Yeah the console shifter would be sweet. Im gonna do it. Thats it.. im doing it. Why not. After everything ive been through im not letting a little lever stand in my way

I was hoping to find a used KB or around 2k or so. Really have not even looked so I have no idea. I talked to AED and the 2.3 should pretty much almost fit right in, he said the biggest problem ill run into is the A/C lines by the throttle body. ill just have to move those around. Their just pipes!!! But when im ready ill shop around... but yes im leaning towards the AED just for the simplicity then. Gotta love the whiiine though on those KBs.

 

[rocket 5979]

Yeah the console shifter would be sweet. Im gonna do it. Thats it.. im doing it. Why not. After everything ive been through im not letting a little lever stand in my way

I was hoping to find a used KB or around 2k or so. Really have not even looked so I have no idea. I talked to AED and the 2.3 should pretty much almost fit right in, he said the biggest problem ill run into is the A/C lines by the throttle body. ill just have to move those around. Their just pipes!!! But when im ready ill shop around... but yes im leaning towards the AED just for the simplicity then. Gotta love the whiiine though on those KBs.

That console shifter would be really cool. I don't think I will be tackling it because, well I am lazy . hehe. I ran into minor problems with the A/C lines too. I just had to kind of tweak them out of the way a bit and things were good to go. From the pictures I seen the Whipple kits upper plenum looks like they start curving forward sooner than my KB, you might not have as much, if any, problem there either. Yeah, the Whipples are good for making the exhaust sound super loud while the KB's are all about the whine. I heard a Whipple Cobra and the thing was deafening!!! Mean, very mean.

 

[awdrocks]

That console shifter would be really cool. I don't think I will be tackling it because, well I am lazy . hehe.

LAZY? Come on man... your gonna tell me your lazy after fabing that KB on!!!

I was driving my dads Altima today... and its SOOO nice to have that console lever...

It stinks to have to use the gas pedal to downshift because if you just want to stay in a certain gear for a little you have to stay on the gas... I was driving the Altima and I had it in many gears and it just revs waiting for the pedal to be put to the metal, I know it can also be done with the steering lever... but its a PITA. The console is SO fun and much more easily available power.

I ran into minor problems with the A/C lines too. I just had to kind of tweak them out of the way a bit and things were good to go. From the pictures I seen the Whipple kits upper plenum looks like they start curving forward sooner than my KB, you might not have as much, if any, problem there either.

Heres a good picture of the mighty Lysholm AED 2300ax. This is the exact kit for the MN12 that should ALMOST fit like a glove!!!

http://allen-superchargers.com/racekit.html

Yeah, the Whipples are good for making the exhaust sound super loud while the KB's are all about the whine. I heard a Whipple Cobra and the thing was deafening!!! Mean, very mean.

My M90 is not that quite... it actually has a NICE whine. I scare people when I drive by... lol

 

[rocket 5979]

LAZY? Come on man... your gonna tell me your lazy after fabing that KB on!!!

My M90 is not that quite... it actually has a NICE whine. I scare people when I drive by... lol

Yeah, hehe. After doing all that work on the Kenne Bell fabbing and install I a feel lazy to do much more. Gladly I will be able to take a 2-3 month hiatus now while I am waiting for my other parts to come in. I can concentrate on other projects in the meantime like helping to plan my wedding, buying our home, and my small Lincoln LS project.



Oh yeah. Roots arent too quiet at all. They get quite loud. Only thing that struck me as funny with them is that their pitch never matches the engine rpm. So while it sounds like the engine is revving to only 3,000 because of the sound of the Roots, it is actually damn near at redline. I remember hearing a roots on a V8 with a quiet exhaust. I sounded quite eery to just hear the roots whine and nothing else.

 

[awdrocks]

So while it sounds like the engine is revving to only 3,000 because of the sound of the Roots, it is actually damn near at redline. I remember hearing a roots on a V8 with a quiet exhaust. I sounded quite eery to just hear the roots whine and nothing else.

Yeah take care of that wedding and home

I think the reason the roots wines so early and sounds not that reved at high rpms is because it gets about 90% of its power just below 2,000 rpms, and pretty much tops out at about 3k. Wild guess but makes sense to me lol

 

[awdrocks]

Today was the first day I got on it pretty hard, reved her up to just 5,600 and GOSH DAM IS SHE FAST!!! I had no idea. I remember my stock motor at about that RPM it felt like the motor was dieing off.... when I let go of the gas this time at 5,600 she was pulling harder and harder, that was on a second gear pull. Also did a third gear pull and im amazed how hard she pulled... I can tell she has so much more. As she breaks in she feels stronger and stronger. sOOO happy.

Such a healthy running/sounding motor. Ill get some pics and sound clips soon.

 

[rocket 5979]

Today was the first day I got on it pretty hard, reved her up to just 5,600 and GOSH DAM IS SHE FAST!!! I had no idea. I remember my stock motor at about that RPM it felt like the motor was dieing off.... when I let go of the gas this time at 5,600 she was pulling harder and harder, that was on a second gear pull. Also did a third gear pull and im amazed how hard she pulled... I can tell she has so much more. As she breaks in she feels stronger and stronger. sOOO happy.

Such a healthy running/sounding motor. Ill get some pics and sound clips soon.

Glad to hear that your liking it. How much are you burning your tires off from a stop in 1st gear?

Hey I forgot to ask you, what is the box code (4 digit code not the 7 digit strategy code) of your PTEC computer? I am going to try to get together a databse of the 3rd gen Explorer code together. I just want to see if I will be able to tune your computer with my Advantage software or not.