No power to windows, seats, or locks. HELP!!!

[McGuckin]

Please help with any info you mave about a major issue in my 1997 Mountineer. I have no power to my seats, windows, or door locks. I've checked fuses in the dash and under the hood, everything looks ok there. My windows a stuck down so this is a major problem.

 

[Blee1099]

it sounds like a GEM/PCM failure honestly. If your window is down and your in an emergency situation, you can try to power the window with a direct 12 volt line.

 

[McGuckin]

after further review it was the #10 fuse causing the issue with the seats and locks but the windows are still not working. I have reviewed the online owners manual but I can't seem to find the power window fuse. It's not listed in the diagram. Any help would be awsome.

 

[Blee1099]

That sucks, Do you have power to any of the windows? Have you tried the passenger controls to see if those have atleast power. Looking at the fuse panel diagram there is no fuse that pinpoints to the windows.

 

[McGuckin]

This issue has been resolved. Thanks to a lot of searching through this site and testing. Turns out the issue was with a 30 amp fuse in the power distrubution block under the hood #10 which controls the power seats and locks. the window issue was resolved by removing the relay under the steering colum. This relay is to the left under the steering colum and is yellow, when removed the windows starting working again. I didn't replace it I simply took it out and tested the window and there was no issue. I'm still wondering what if any issue I may have by not replacing this relay as everything works fine without it. I hope this may help anyone in the future because I know it saved a lot of loot fixing it on my own.


Thanks to all who contribute to this site.

 

[Cobraguy]

Where did you read to try and disconnect the "yellow relay" under the dash? Because you just disconnected your flasher. That's the only "yellow relay" in that location on my car. And I wonder why that would make a difference on the windows. Weird...

 

[budwich]

well, the only difference is that by "playing under there", he moved "the real problem" (ie. loose wire / relay) and "solved" his problem..... for now...

 

[Cobraguy]

well, the only difference is that by "playing under there", he moved "the real problem" (ie. loose wire / relay) and "solved" his problem..... for now...

Very good point.

 

[McGuckin]

A search in this forum said there is a power window relay under dash next to steering colum, but you are correct now the blinkers and flasher dont work but windows do. I'm confused now. I guess I'm gonna put it back in now that I got the windows rolled up.

 

[Cobraguy]

You have a lot of components to a power window set up. Including an accessory delay relay, one touch down relay, GEM, Battery Saver Relay, and even the Torque on Demand relay is involved if you can believe that. I see two fuses...both 30A...in the Power Dist Box. Fuse #'s 5 and 7. This fuse box is the one under the hood on the driver's side fender apron. There is a lot of engineering to these windows and the GEM plays a big part of it. I think it's time to get the manual out and start your pin tests.

 

[budwich]

its not a GEM fault... its not a fuse fault (they don't "heal" themselves), its "broken" / loose wire or "displaced" relay..... and pulling it won't solve your problem although replacing it might.... BUT testing is a "bit" cheaper.

PS... and no the torque on demand relay isn't involved in getting your windows to work... yes it takes a power feed from some of the relays mentioned.

 

[McGuckin]

The only fuse that was bad was #10 which is a 30amp, but when I replaced that it only made the seats and locks work again. I'm gonna try putting the relay back in to get the blinkers to work. If the windows stop working again should I get another "yellow" relay?
I dont have a manual and when I found one online it didnt have a specific fuse for power windows, is it tied to something else?

 

[otto289gta]

No power to windows

I have a 2003 exporer XLT
Yesterday I put down the drivers window. It never came back up. Also no power to any other windows. The #62 30 Amp circuit breaker (Window circuit) tested fine. I had replaced it with a fuse just to be sure. It seems I'm getting no power to the driver door master window switch. Can anybody tell me what color wire is supposed to be the hot one? The door locks work. I have checked all other fuses that seem to be related, inside the vehical and under the hood. Is there another fuse that I could be missing? Window is stuck down, T storms rolling in every afternoon now. I did notice a couple of fuseible links under power Dist. box. Could any of these be on the circuit?
Thanks
Bob
south jersey

 

[budwich]

trace LB/BK

 

[otto289gta]

2003 XLT no power to windows

Thanks, I will check it tommorow after work. Just wrapped up for the night
Do these wires feed directly to the power Dist box? Is one a ground and if so do you know which one As I can't even get continuity from any pin to ground?

 

[budwich]

that's one wire... the hot wire.

 

[otto289gta]

Much thanks! I'll let you know how it goes tommorow afternoon

 

[budwich]

well there isn't continuity to "anywhere" unless you operate the switches assuming that your statement was made about testing at the switches and not the motor.... perhaps I don't understand what you mean.


PS... I must be sleepy... you should find a ground somewhere at the switches... could be a problem.

 

[Cobraguy]

its not a GEM fault... its not a fuse fault (they don't "heal" themselves), its "broken" / loose wire or "displaced" relay..... and pulling it won't solve your problem although replacing it might.... BUT testing is a "bit" cheaper.

PS... and no the torque on demand relay isn't involved in getting your windows to work... yes it takes a power feed from some of the relays mentioned.

Well, let's see. The GEM deals with the Battery Saver relay control, the Accessory Delay Relay control, the One Touch Down relay control, grounding for both the up and down input, current sense hi and low...I would say the GEM is a very real possibility. Pin point tests are necessary to eliminate it.

P.S. "the torque on demand relay isn't involved" Wrong. The Torque on Demand relay is involved in this circuit. It's circuit 400, from connector C274 via splice 259. It's a LB/Bk wire. I'm not saying it has anything to do with this problem nor will it affect the window operation. I'm saying it's in the circuit to some extent. My whole point was there are a lot of components involved in the power windows. and to just arbitrarily guess where the problem is could be futile and misleading. Get a manual and save yourself a ton of time, money, and heartburn.

 

[budwich]

Whatever you say.... all the circuits in your car are attached to the battery in some form, but I don't think they are involved in getting his windows working... ... just reading a schematic isn't going to do much other than give an indication where to look / test ... but don't go off in a tangent.