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Hey, My chip requires 93+ octane, and all the gas stations around here have 92 at the highest. Is this because of my area (Washington) or do I need some octane booster or something?
 



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Use the highest you can get in your area. 92 should be fine. In California the highest is usually 91. Unless your truck pings heavily then you're fine.
 






What is Octane

Here is my understanding. I grew up in Colorado and live in Texas and in Colorado the ratings were 85, 87, 91 and here in Texas it is 87, 89, 92 or 93. The higher the number the slower the gas combusts. Since Colorado is at a higher altitude, there is less oxygen that helps inhibit the combustion, therefore giving you an effective 93 octane rating. In engines with high combustion, the high octane is needed. Many of the new engines can detect knock or predetonation (this is where the fuel are combo ignites before the piston has begun the down stroke and is caused by the excessive heat created by certain compression ratios and certain types of metal), but engines that ask for the higher octane will not perform well with low octane. The computer will detect know and greatly retard the timing. A lot of import and foreign cars run high compression and therefore require the high octane. To get an idea of compression and its effects look at diesel engine compression ratios. 20.1 compared to our gas 10.1 Unless I am mistaken, diesel requires a lot more heat to ignite and there is not even a spark plug. The diesel is injected at a certain time and the high compression causes it to combust. Let me know if I am wrong.

Now my questions..most cars (especially pre fuelie) were set to ignite at top dead center. Is that still the case for fulie? Also, what does knock or predetonation sound like and what is the potential damage?
 






ha ha! my X needs at leasst 87 (86 in the mountains) not to ping.

FI cars adjust for the altitude by recalibrating off the O2 and MAF, is what I understand. Carbs dont know about that, they only know about dumping more air and fuel into the intake.

Gas knock sounds like an annoying little flutter from the engine. When you step on the gas, if you arent running enough octance for your car, it will sound sort of like a deisel. A little rattling from the engine that just doesnt sound like its supposed to be there. The big test is running a tank of exxonmobil superunleaded and seeing if it does it then, unless your car already needs superunleaded. Mine is suposed to take crap gas, but i cant run it without knock, and it runs better with plus or super.
 






Does anyone know the answer or know more information about octane or is this post being ignored?
 






Ok, nearly all cars fire before TDC, not at it.
That's what the degrees timing is, how many degrees before or after TDC that the plugs fire.
You want to fire late enough that the piston can reach TDC without having to push to hard against the expanding fuel, but early enough that the fuel is already expanding at TDC to get the most out of it.

And when the ignition is advanced or retarded it means the timing was moved up or down.


Knocking sounds like a badly tuned diesel, because that's what it is.
The fuel is being ignited by the compression instead of the spark.
Pinging is much more tame, the fuel is still being ignited by the spark, but because of whatever is off the fuel is igniting just a hair faster than expected, it sounds about like a bunch of BBs rattling around in the engine.
Temporary pining under heavy uphill climbs or accelerations are considdered normal for a lot of engines.

The damage and sound come from the same thing.
When the fuel ignites too early the piston encounters way too much force as its still traveling towards TDC and it creates a shock which jars the piston, valves, crankshaft, everything, just as if you had hit it with a hammer.
It can cause bent parts, cracked parts, and because the burning fuel is being compressed more the temperatures skyrockets and can lead the melted/warped parts.
 






from what ive learnt(which aint much) the higher the octane the more power it creates for every point you go up it gives approx 1% more power ie 93 octane is 1% more powerful than 92 so it probablywont make a great deal of difference to your chip but than it might sorry i cant really help

i run 96-98 octane (premium it depends where you go)as it is only 4c per litre dearer than standard 91 octane
 






Higher octane is not going to help you if your engine or computer aren't designed for it. In fact, it can hurt the motor.

Australia dude, I would not run premium in your truck unless you have an aftermarket chip or other mods that call for it.
 






Octane does not increase power. An octane rating is basically how resistant it is to combustion. The higher the rating, the harder it is to burn. As said before, Detonation gone unnoticed will destroy an engine.

As for putting low grade fuel when it asks for premium, you are asking for a ventilated block. Alot of cars do have knock sensors, but that doesnt mean a WOT run wont destroy your engine. Also on supercharged vehicles like the Lightning, new cobra and pontiac GTP low grade fuel (or anything causing detonation) and youll be putting a rod through the block.

While your truck may be ok mostly with 92, be more careful and really listen for detonation when its colder outside. Alot of time a vehicle will be fine when its warm, but the denser air when its cold will make it start detonating.

As for octane booster, from everything Ive read only NOS ocatne booster is worth a damn. Octane booster is hard on plugs though if used often. Most Octane boosters added at 3 times the suggested rate struggled to raise octane more than 1.5 points (which some claim more results from far less of the addative)

Diesels run on heat and compression and no they dont have spark plugs. Thats one reason diesels are turbod and never supercharged, they love the heat from a turbo. Thats why when you turn a car off and it keeps running they say its dieseling because its runnin without the spark.

the OHV 4.0 is more like 8:1 compression and the SOHC is 9.7:1. Most cars requiring 87 run less than 10:1 compression. I think most are more in the range of 8:1 though. LS1s run 10:1+ compression, and thats why they dont like much boost stock.
 






i run premium for a couple of reasons *(98 octane)
it improves fuel economy an extra 60 miles per tank
it is better quality and cleaner
petrol in australia is of very poor quality we dont even have laws that state what it can be made from recently service stations have been caught putting toulene in the fuel at upto 30% ethanol 20% the majority of cars here are not equipped for more than 10% ethanol
standard petrol is so poor here that some european & japanese car makers wont import there performance cars to australia

ive run premium in all my cars for the last ten years with no problems at all
my X is stock
 






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