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Official Rollover Tests, not just Explorers anymore

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I happened to be watching the national news the other night and saw a rollover test they were conducting on vehicles other than the Explorer. And guess what? The CHEVY BLAZER and GMC JIMMY had the poorest rating in rollover tests, I bet if they would have equipped those vehicles with Firestones it would have taken the heat off Ford and planted it square on the shoulders of Chevy/GMC, while lowering their sales and shares on the big board.

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The Blazer/Jimmy/Bravada aside from being one of the most unsafe vehicles on earth is also one of the cheapest in terms of quality. All and all terrible vehicles.
 






Well it just makes me so mad that everyone dogs the Explorer, when in my opinion it is the finest vehicle on earth, and I will buy another Explorer in the future, no doubt about it. Did you hear about the woman who tried to sue Ford for 100 million. I dont know if everyone knows about it or not, but I saw it in the paper the other day and it imediately infuriated me. Her friend was driving and the tire blew out, and she probably started wiggin and jerked the wheel and rolled it, and paralyzed the woman from the neck down, and she tried to sue Ford for 100 million dollars!! Thats crazy! And she said that it would help her to live the rest of her life, HA! I could live the rest of my life for ALOT less than 100 mil. I mean, I'm not happy it paralyzed her, I feel very sorry it happened to her, but I cant believe this. And she said she wanted to help prevent others from being in other situations like hers and to help them along and blah blah. I guess she figured she could help by putting Ford in an early grave. What a crock. I'm sorry, but this really made me mad! But Ford apologized and all that and came to an agreement, but they didnt disclose how much. My mom did pose me a good senario, if she would be the paralyzed one and what I would do to Ford. Well, that made me think, but I wouldnt try to sue Ford. If I would even think of sueing anybody, which isnt in my nature, I would do it to Firestone. I dont know what I'd do, but I wouldnt try to send either company under, because what happens, happens. Those two companies have worked long and hard to get so recognized and respected in the automotive and tire industry, and if I were the founder of either, I wouldnt want people sueing me and trying to put me and many others out of jobs. If Chevy would have those 'stones on Blazers and the such, it would be the whole same situation, except with Chevy being in the headlines instead of Ford. This is just crazy, dont you think? If this is too offending or out of line, please delete it, but I just couldnt hold this in.

[Edited by 95ExplorerLtd on 01-12-2001 at 05:03 PM]
 






No its okay Grant, nothing in there that should be deleted.

Well, what I say is if Firestone's executives take such pride in their product, they should have taken extra steps to ensure that it is of high quality, and they CERTAINLY should have made sure that that product didnt go off killing people. And if they had such pride, they should have taken action immediately when they found this out to save lives. The same goes for Ford. You cant tell me that Ford didnt know about this potential problem, international companies arent stupid, they have people that watch for these kinds of things. They knew about it, and had probably KNOWN about it for some time. Why do you think that Blazers and Pathfinders and such dont come with the Firestone tires if they were so cheap and great? Because those particular tires were cheap because corners were cut. They were designed for the Explorer......and they from the start were poor tires. They were designed to be cheap, not safe, and not good.

The bit about it being drivers error only goes so far, these blowouts are in fact unlike normal blowouts, which pretty much negates what Car and Driver and others including myself have said. Sure the Explorer is stable in a normal blowout, but no one has tested it with the tread wrapped around the axle yet. Thats not a design flaw of the Explorer, but it is a design flaw in the tire, and one I believe they knew about.

As for the people that are suing Ford, basically they have every right to. If it was you who lost the use of your legs because some fat a-hole sat in his office and threw all concern for your safety out the window by continuing to use a component in their vehicle that HE KNEW was unsafe, you would probably sue Ford too, you would have every right to, and I would cheer you on. This is different situation from the McDonalds coffee thing. It is common knowledge that coffee is hot and by drinking it you take the risk of being burnt. It is simply money grubbing to sue for something like that. However, people do not and should not have to expect that a substandard, literally peice of **** component of their vehicle placed there by a manufacturer that knew it was prone to failure could fail and end or alter their life for ever, or end and alter the lives of one or all of their loved ones. If my Explorer flipped because of those damn tires and it killed my family or maimed them, you can bet your life that I would find some way to make Ford pay for what they had done. I would make forcing Ford to pay my lifes work, and I would not REST until they had made restitution to me, and all the other people involved. People dont screw me over and get away with it, and I cannot blame anyone else for feeling the same way.

Think about it this way, would you be a little mad if your hand soap contained something that bruned the skin off your hands and left you handicapped? Wouldnt you want the maker of that soap to reimburse you monitarily for your pain that was their fault? Its exactly the same thing.

If you ask me, everyone who was involved in an Explorer crash because of Firestone tires should get on the stick and make Ford and Firestone pay. Teach them a lesson and maybe next time they'll think twice before they put the lives of their customers on the line to save $50 a vehicle.

What Ford and Firestone did was wrong, they are literally murderers and they should and will pay for it. Personally, I would not be unhappy to see Ford and or Firestone go out of business, thats not going to happen, but I wouldnt be unhappy. There are plenty of other great midsize SUVs made by people who consider their customer's safety. If Ford hadn't responded in the way they did, and if they werent taking such steps to make sure the new Explorers are perfect I would NEVER EVER EVER buy another Ford product again, and I may still not. THATS how much this bothers me.

[Edited by Stephen on 01-13-2001 at 12:00 AM]
 






Well said Stephen. One thing that gets me: You wouldn't believe how many Explorers around here still have the Firestone tires on them, I could absolutely not believe it. It seems like 9 out of 10 Explorers I see still have those tires on.
Your right, I dont see why I said I wouldnt try to sue Ford. I most surely prolly would, but I just sure as hell wouldnt try for 100 million, because aside from this situation, I think Ford is a great company, its just that they really f***ed up this time, and they will learn from this and not try to screw us with cheap tires or parts again, if they know whats good for them. I dont want to see them go under, because any Ford product we have ever had has been the best, ranging from huge multi-ton service trucks, to the old F series, to our old T-bird, to the later model F150, and now the Explorer. I am for sure gonna buy more Ford vehicles in these coming years, regardless of what anyone says.
 






As much as I love our 1992 XLT I don't think the Jimmy is really the worst.. They showed the numbers for a 2 wheel drive an da 4 wheel drive jimmy. the 4x4 got the same rating as the 4x4 Explorer and the 4x2 explorer isn't even on the list. I think the extra weight of the front axle helped in the test.. Even with all the numbers they show they are only taking into account the weight/cg and track width of the vehicle. There are just too many variables..

As long as people take those ratings with a grain of salt I think it is ok, but you know how people are.. they see something and they run with it before they figure what the heck it is (just look at the firestone/ford issue or any other similar type issue.. its all media hyped up). I don't agree with what Firestone/Ford did but it is interesting to watch how the media takes on part and then runs with it forever..

ok.. enough rambling.. (I just finished a debate with someone at work about our explorer so I'm all fired up..)

Mark
 






Grant, Big problem is people that have Firestone tires that aren't included in the recall. These people would have to shell money out of their pockets for new tires. Not everyone has the ability, or the desire to pay for new tires when their tires aren't worn out. I know when I put the Michelins on our Explorer it was something close to $600 when all was said and done. Now thats $200 more than Z Rated Dunlop touring tires for my Lexus cost. Light truck tires arent cheap. Thats why you still see people with those tires.
 






Well I've seen alot of 15 inch ATX tires still on some, and ALOT of Wilderness tires on others, and its not like theres a tire shortage around here, we walked into Sears and left an hour later with new tires of our choice. And all 15 inch ATX tires were recalled, right? And the 16 inch Wilderness with the VD, right? Dont think I'm a freak, running around checking people's tire size, crawling under them to check the DOT codes, cuz I dont, its just whenever I walk by an Explorer I just automatically look at the tires. Its almost like some of these people havent even heard of this recall.

BTW Stephen, get some BFG's, preferably Longtrails or TA KO's. When all was said and done for us, we had 48 dollars that we had to pay for mounting, balancing, etc. Firestone paid 400 of the entire price so that was $448 in all, and if you would choose longtrails for a more road-courteous tire, it would be alot cheaper. ;)
 












The Longtrails have a very nice ride, but they would look sorta goofy on a Limited because they have those crazy little grip-type things that are along the outer edge.
 






Here's a thought, I have P235R15 Wilderness AT's made at the Quebec Canada plant with 10,500 miles on them. They look great and show no signs of problem. Most of the time the vehicle is onthe garage so no sun beating on them while it sits. Needless to say this is not my daily driver, we use it for recreation trips mostly. I feel that they will eventually recall all Wilderness AT's and keeping a close I on these I can wait them out. Oh by the way, I never believe that 26psi was a high enough pressure for such a heavy vehicle. These tires have never been driven on with pressure less than 28 to 30 psi. At present they have 33psi in them. Hauled a load and increased the pressure and never reduced it. I like the feel of the steering and the added freeway response with less throttle.

So my point is, yes there are Wilderness AT's still out there. My wife ask me a question that I'm still unable to answer. She asked me if I knew about the tire/rollover problem the Explorer has, would I have chosen it in 98?
 






Well knowing what I do know about the Explorer rollover, as long as it didnt have the Firestones I'd buy the Explorer again probably. Thing is, as much as I dispise doing business with the people at Ford, wenever I look to trade they always seem to have just what I want. I guess thats why I've had at least one Ford in my garage since 1978, sometimes two (my Lincolns).
 






I, too am bothered by all the hype of Explorers rolling over. My 16 yr old daughter slid off the road in early Dec. 2000. The hill she went down was probably 20 ft.-looking at the marks after--there is no reason why she did not roll and hit the tree! There was $3,700 damage to our 92 EB Explorer. We just got it back from body shop (5 wks there) and it looks and rides perfect. I called Ford to let them know how happy we were that she was safe in our Explorer.
Also-in order to get out from where she landed, she flipped on 4x4, and went through a wetlands! It must have looked like she was having fun because 2 guys in another 4x4 drove by giving her "thumbs up" before she stopped them to help her!!
 






They're definately very safe vehicles, its just an outside component that was causing all the problems. I dont see how anyone can say they're flip happy when a 16 year old female can control one when its careening down an embankment.
 






Aside From Their Safety....

GM has decided to sell the Blazer/Jimmy through 2003 with little changes while their new Trailblazer moves upscale to more directly compete with the Jeep Grand Cherokee and higher-end Explorer models. GM says they still expect to sell 100,000 a year to people who don't want a mini-SUV but don't want to spend over $30,000. I tell you, GM has their head so far up their ass they'll never see the day of light again...if the Blazer seems crappy and outdated now, it's going to be Yugo-status in two years.
 












That is site is trying so hard to discredit Ford that I have a hard time believing that a private person wrote it. It stinks of misleading advertising. I wonder which other automaker put them up to it?
 






It does seem staged. It's a shame too.
 









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did you notice that the rear left tire had its tread on it? the sudden turn they discribed was probably the axel hopping from the flat tire which resulted in an incorrect response from the driver which started the rollover.
 






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