Torsion Bar Relocator Kit?

[Hokie]

Originally posted by section525
I'm with the Hokie here. If they'll make some, or the F150 ones would work.. I might have to put some serious thought and cash into a Superlift maybe. My roomie has an F150.. I'm gonna go disect it and see what the difference is.

When doing my TT, we had the Ford dealer pull the PN for the 150 front end to see if their adjuster bolts were similar to the Ex... Believe it or not, but the 150 has the same PN as a 'B' rated Explorer torsion bar. I would bet that something like this would work for a 150 would also work on the Explorer

 

[james t]

im betting the F150's will work.















.........Section?

 

[GJarrett]

Whoa! Yes!

I've had no desire for an IFS lift kit because the dropped torsion bars destroy any breakover angle advantage to getting a lift ..... but if this works, I will DEFINATELY give the Superlift serious thought next year... I'm subscribing to this thread and keeping up with it.

This product is bringing one of those "geez why didn't I think of that DOH" moments to me

 

[GaSouthern1]

Re: Whoa! Yes!

Originally posted by GJarrett
I've had no desire for an IFS lift kit because the dropped torsion bars destroy any breakover angle advantage to getting a lift ..... but if this works, I will DEFINATELY give the Superlift serious thought next year... I'm subscribing to this thread and keeping up with it.

This product is bringing one of those "geez why didn't I think of that DOH" moments to me

he lives..havent seen you in a while

I will really give thought to this as well in the future, I am sure I can get it to work somehome on the blasted dodge.

 

[Nicaraguense]

I still don't like

I still don't like the lowered cross member of the superlift. Maybe it is just me but it doesn't seem to really gain anything but rather lose it. Maybe I am wrong. I would like to know, with stock tires what is the distance from ground to cross member before and after super lift (adding newer bigger tires is really the idea of the lift) but I wanna Know if I am losing something or not.

 

[DocVijay]

Very interesting. I've seen some torsion bar relocators before, but not like this one. Also waiting for someone to be the guinea pig...

 

[Hokie]

Re: I still don't like

Originally posted by Nicaraguense
I still don't like the lowered cross member of the superlift. Maybe it is just me but it doesn't seem to really gain anything but rather lose it. Maybe I am wrong. I would like to know, with stock tires what is the distance from ground to cross member before and after super lift (adding newer bigger tires is really the idea of the lift) but I wanna Know if I am losing something or not.

Which x-member are you talking about? The whole point of this piece is that you don't have to lower your torsion bar mounts and their respective x-member.

if you're talking about the front x-member that the upper and lower A arms mount to, well, yeah, that has to be lowered. But if you think about it, that is lowered with any kit. A solid axle suspension lift puts more distance between the axle and the frame. the only way to get more diff height is tires. Suspension lifts help with clearing tires and breakover angle.

An 8" lift on a Jeep and stock tires will just put the body/frame 8" higher, not the axles. The axles will still be at the same height until bigger tires are put on

 

[Hokie]

You know, someone should give Cory a call. The hard part of the kit would be finding the hex shaped shaft that goes in the stock A arm. I would think that Cory could machine the flat pieces (cnc with a plasma cutter) and weld it all together, thats the easy part.

Needless to say, he would have a market for both Rangers and Explorers.

 

[Archie]

torsion bar relocator

How would this affect the torsion twist?
would you still be able to do this with this relocator?
would this amplify the stress on bars?

just some thoughts.

Archie

 

[Jefe]

On second thought. . .

I'm guessing that these actually relocate the rear mount back from stock on the frame, since the bar isn't 'plugging' in at the same place. On the F150, thats only 3" back or so. On the explorer, the bar goes up to the front of the A-arm, so you'd have to either push the bar (and mount) back ~18", and/or use shorter torsion bars, since I don't think theres any way you could have the bar running over the A-arm without it binding or getting in the way of something.

 

[section525]

Well the roomie and the F150 should be home about 3PM PST . I'll get some pics and check it out then.

 

[GJarrett]

Re: On second thought. . .

Originally posted by Jefe
I'm guessing that these actually relocate the rear mount back from stock on the frame, since the bar isn't 'plugging' in at the same place. On the F150, thats only 3" back or so. On the explorer, the bar goes up to the front of the A-arm, so you'd have to either push the bar (and mount) back ~18", and/or use shorter torsion bars, since I don't think theres any way you could have the bar running over the A-arm without it binding or getting in the way of something.

Jeff, I thought of that, but the relocation mounts look like they move the point at least 3", and the hole in the rear lower control arm places the torsion bar less than 2" from the top of the control arm. Those mounts may clear the torsion bar up over the rear control arm once they are used with a 4" lift kit, but I agree it would be close. The other thing is that the torsion bars will actually be moving around a little when they rotate, since the fulcrum point is now turning on the 3"- 4" arm of that Reallift thingy.

This is going to be a guinea pig deal for sure. We need someone with a 4" Trailmaster or Superlift kit to get one of these things and see if it works I'd think someone like Ray Lobato would be very interested at looking into this.

 

[Premier]

PM Ray! What are you waiting for... Or Lifted95X.

 

[Hokie]

Originally posted by Premier
PM Ray! What are you waiting for... Or Lifted95X.

They also push your torsion bars back so you'll have to move the torsion bar mounts back. Not sure if they include some method of doing this with the kit or not

 

[Premier]

That could be a possibility since the little things are sooo damn expensive...

 

[section525]

I'm thinkin this is a no-go.

The F150 t-bars mount in the rear of the lower control arms, while the Explorers mount in the front. So, even if for some reason the bars would clear the control arms throughout the whole suspension cycle, I don't see them clearing the CV axle.

I think the only way this would work is if a 2WD guy installed the Superlift and used the "Jefe 2WD Mod".


But let me go check something else out...

 

[Premier]

Thats nice.... and sh!tty

 

[Hokie]

So now we have to retrofit 150 LCA's to work on Explorers.. great

It was a good idea y'all!

 

[section525]

Originally posted by Hokie
So now we have to retrofit 150 LCA's to work on Explorers.. great

It was a good idea y'all!

I measured. They're about 4" too wide. Plus, the mounts are too wide as well. It would take a lot of hacking. Enough to just do a SAS I think.

 

[Nfuriate]

there was a post on these things on ORR a while back. a few people, myself included, emailed them asking about a ranger kit and they said since they're so small right now, they don't have the money to buy a test ranger. The reason the kits can be so expensive is because some of the kits require further modification. Sometimes the crossmember has to be moved back a few inches, stuff like that. After i emailed them and realized a ranger kit would be a long way off if it ever happened, i thought about how the bar goes through the lower arm and putting it above that would be in the way of the cv and all other sorts of stuff. Too bad eh?