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What's the negatives in going with 3/4 ton axles?

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Do they weigh substantially more? I'm fairly sure a D60 weighs more than a full width 8.8, but how about a full width 8 lug D44, vs a full width 5 lug D44?

Any other negatives? How about positives?

I see a set of axles locally from a 77 F250 for a fair price, and I'm just thinking... ;)
 



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The D60 weighs a quite a lot more than the D44, or 8.8". The brake setup and hub of an 8lug D44 is pretty heavy, but not as heavy as D60 stuff.

I only know one Jeep guy running a D-44 with 8 lug axles. I can't think of anyone running them on the Explorer or Ranger.
 






I only know one Jeep guy running a D-44 with 8 lug axles. I can't think of anyone running them on the Explorer or Ranger.
I'm running A Wagoneer D-44 converted to 8-lug using Chevy stuff (rotor, backing plate and caliper only as the Wagoneer's D-44's spindles and bearing dimensions match the Chevy 8-lug's) . I did it to match the lug pattern of the 14-bolt rear (aka "boat anchor").

d44_finished.jpg


But as for the weight question, the biggest difference is in the rotor and hub (I bought them as one unit -- cheaper that way). The 8-lug rotor is not only wider, but thicker. Oh yeah and I think the backing plates were a lot thicker on the 8-lug too -- you can kind of see this in the pic above, probably about 3/16" thick stamped at least.
 






Anyone have the weights of :
D44 front 1/2 ton
vs
D44 front 3/4 ton?
 






i know the 60/44 combo is pretty strong vs the 1/2 ton...i know that my front 60 is ove 500lbs with tires if that helps...
 






I would say a 8.8 is a little bit stronger then a D44. you have to ask your self do you need a 60? My plan was if I get really hard core I'd swap to D60 front and 10.25 rear. But I think that's a bit overkill:rolleyes: If I start breaking stuff with the 37's I'll just go back to 35's probally.:(

The 8 lug 44 is the same as the 5 lug, it just has different knules for 3 extra lugs. However they are stronger.
 






The understanding I have is the 3/4 ton D44 has heavier, thicker tubes also..

I'd buy the 3/4ton D44, it's worth some money even if you don't use it.
 












early f-250's came with 8 lug 44's. they're set up for leaves and are a lot wider, which means they're heavier too.
 






And even if the weight is that much of a difference (which its not), at least you're adding weight at the axle and not at the body :D -- for off-camber situations.

One major downside to the 3/4-ton D44 is its lug pattern -- which you'll have to match it in the rear so, without going to drilled rotors/shafts and adapters, this limits you to only a few rear axles (sterling, 14b, and the higher dana's). And these rear axles, which are often full-floating 1-tonners, are a lot heavier than their smaller cousins and are just a pain to move around the floor. In addition, an 8-lug D44 has a bigger rotor than the 6 or 5 lugged versions -- which means you have to be careful when using a 15" diameter wheel because the calipers might interfere (I'm using 2.5" backspacing and there's maybe 1/8" clearance - but plenty of people are running this setup and no problems at all).

As far as strength wise, I dont think there is any benefit because I doubt there are many people on here that have bent a 1/2-ton axle tube. So I'm not sure I'd look at the 3/4-ton D44 and say that its stronger than the 1/2-ton version. The weakness of the D44 is always in its axle shafts and u-joints .. and both the 1/2-ton and 3/4-ton use the same u-joints and have the same axle shaft diameter so strength wise, they are the same (they both have the same exact point of failure).

So far, the major positive thing I've seen with using an 8-lugged 44 initially is that, because it forces you to go with an 8-lug rear axle, it sets you up for an easy D60 transition as you'll already have 8-lugged wheels and rear axle :D. And yes, 15" wheels with 3" backspacing will fit a SRW D60 without interference issues. So when you're sick and tired of popping U-joints, destroying the axle shaft's yoke's, and snapping axle shafts, the transition is slightly easier and less costly :D
 












Yeah, Iz, the unsprung weight benefit occurred to me, but I wonder if that is outweighed by a heavier overall vehicle weight.
What are you switching your front axle to next spring, D60?
 












I would have to say that the only benifit that the 8 lug 44s have is to match lug pattern if you swap the rear axle. the ford 10.25 also has the same pattern. If you want stronger than a 44 go with the 60. If i recall the 60 weighs about 700lbs with brakes on. I believe the 44 is about 500? not to sure on the 44.

The bigger downfall to the large axles is not weight though. Its the actual size of them...kills ground clearance...the diffs are huge...you could go with a 1ton 14bolt and shave it down so you get within an inch of the 8.8 clearance though but you have to shave the ring gear. but ive seen it done for full size broncos.

What size tires do you plan on running?
 






can you swap the 8lug to a 5 lug knuckle out?
 






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